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Thank you, Jaime!  I know now that I have at least one relative in that state. Can't wait to start looking for others.

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From: "alvaradj@comcast.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 9:40:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] LDS has just added Nuevo Leon, Baja California Sur, Sinaloa and Sonora to Pilot

New records for Nuevo Leon, Baja Sur, Sinaloa and Sonora have been added to Record Search in Pilot.

Jaime

Arturo Ramos is the main reason I'm going; he's "Da Man"!

Jose Carlos de Leon

Time and location of the Nueva Galicia meeting?

Sergio

Wow ! Linda , thank you so much I don´t know if I´ll be one of your connections but your kindness and generousity is super .

Thank you ,

Welester G. Alvarado

>
> I am updating my files on Rootsweb.com today. I have over 70,000 names and still have a couple of films to complete. Most records are for the district of Jerez, Zacatecas but some are from Jalisco and Michocan. I submitted each record I recorded so you can see the names, places and padrinos. I hope they can be of help to some of you. I started going through the members names but there are just too many people to not miss someone.
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> The file name is Mexico and if you go to the surname index hopefully some of the group will find something of interest. Pedigree in text format will give you your lineage, if you put my Father, Aniceto (Chet) Castanon 1921-2009 it will give you my lineage so we can compare ancestors.
>
> I will not be participating as much for a short while due to health issues but will be

Esther,

Thank very much for the information. I will investige Maximo and Silvero with this new information you provided.

Sergio Gutierrez

My maternal grandmother was named Ramona Sigala Padilla (b. 1913, Jalos) who was married to Francisco Martin Reynoso in Jalos. Ramona was the daughter of Jose Sigala Martin (born abt. 1889, Jalos) and Gonzala Padilla. Jose Sigala was the son of Jose Apolinar Sigala (b. 1858, Jalos) and Juana Martin. Apolinar was the son of Macimo (Maximo) Sigala Gomez (born abt 1832) and Susana Gutierrez. Maximo was the son of Silverio Sigala and Victoria Gomez.

I can't find where and when Maximo and Silverio were borned?

Need some help.

Thanks,

Sergio Gutierrez Martin Gutierrez Sigala

Are these the ancestors you found?
 
Jose Saturnino Sigala, ch. 26 Feb 1797, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco
[Batch602707, Ser. #00083 (1797-1801) film # 0615015] married to Maria Eustaquia
Rodriguez(aka Eustacia) in Moyahua, Zacatecas, 19 Apr 1820.
 
His parents:  Manuel Sigala and Victoria Raygosa; 
 
His Children:  Crisanto de Jesus Sigala Rodriguez, ch. 7 Nov 1824, Ixtlahuacan
del Rio, Jalisco [Batch C602712, Ser #02153 (1818-1826) film 0628878]; Maria
Josefa Sigala Rodrigues, ch 5 apr 1826, Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco, C602712,
Ser #02637 (1818-1826) film 0628878]

MANUEL SIGALAaka Manuel Salbador, Manl. Salvadory Victoria Raygosa, aka Maria
Victoria, Maria Victoriana Raygoza-- also had the following children:
 
Jose Vizta. Sigala Raigosa, ch 13 Apr 1787, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco [Batch
C602705, Ser #05899 (1772-1788, film # 0615013];
Maria Nicolasa Sigala Raygosa, ch 28 Sep 1790, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco
[Batch C602706, Ser #00977 (1789-1796, film # 0615014];
Maria Magdalena

Antonio:

Some comments and answers to your questions:

The archealogical site at La Quemada is a late Classical site and has many aspects which point to it being part of the greater Toltec civilization. Thus at one point, highly civilized Mesoamerica went as far north as Zacatecas.

There is no ethnic group called Chichimeca, rather it was a term used by the Mexica (Aztecs) to generally describe the bellicose and nomadic tribes north of their Empire. The Spanish adopted the term because, as they were warned, these people were very difficult to placate. There was a 40 year war in Zacatecas, San Luis Potosi against alliances of the Chichimeca (Zacatecas, Guachichiles, etc.) before the Spanish crown decided to "buy" the peace.

Miguel Caldera never "arrived" to the area and never sailed on a ship from Spain. He was born in what later became the city of Zacatecas to a Spanish father (Pedro Caldera) and a Guachichil woman (Maria). He had a sister named Maria Cid that has lots of

Merry Belated Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your familia! I’m working on my ancestry and found you! At least my Y-DNA did :) I had myself tested way back in June of this year from Genetree and came back as #Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-M207# Subgroup: R1b1b2*-M269. On my paternal side I have Gonzalez, Guzman, Campos, Gutierrez, Alba, Cuevas, Alvarez, Reynoso, Martinez, Lujano, Aguayo, Gomez, Martin, Hernandez, Jauregui, Vasquez, Mexia, Carillo, Casillas, Sandobal....and more. Right now I am having a road block with my direct paternal, after my 4X Grandfather (Gonzalez). I’m hoping that you and I can help each other. Best Regards, Jaime Gonzalez

"Here it is, it's R1b1b2, marker M269..
Anyone in Nuestros Ranchos with these markers??

Alicia"

Alicia,

I have the same markers as above. Unfortunately, they are very common markers in Europe and have not helped me much in my Serros genealogy quest. My extended family is from the Northern Jalisco/Southern Zacatecas area, an area they left in ~1916. Sadly for the purpose of genealogy, the Serros/Cerros line appears to be an illegitimate line so I can only go back so far in this particular line.

I agree that the markers suggest a Basque lineage; I did not say prove a Basque lineage. Clearly, as I search the 1600 and 1700 records of Mezquitic, Jalisco and Valparaiso, Zacatecas, I find surnames that are Basque in origin. My reading sources state that the Basques (and Germans) were brought over for their knowledge in mining. One of the largest silver mines in our area was of course Bolaños. In the mid and late 1700's the mines of this town made many locals and investors very wealthy

Hi Alicia,

My brother's son's 67 marker YDNA test results placed him in - Confirmed Haplogroup: R1b1b2 - Shorthand: R-M269.

We're also waiting on my maternal grandfather's grand nephew's 67 maker YDNA test results. We have his 37 marker results that also place him in the R1b1b2 haplogroup with an exact marker match to my nephew. I'm looking forward to seeing if their 67 markers match exactly...Based on all that I have read, I think they will.

Our family has an unique situation, stemming from a male direct line common ancestor's male offspring that descend directly to my paternal (my father) and maternal (my maternal grandfather) ancestry.

My paper trail focuses primary on the Island of Madeira, Portugal, but also extends to Mainland Portugal, Spain, Scotland and England.

Pat Silva Corbera

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From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 3:48:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos]

My father's ydna results are R1b1b2a1a, abbreviated to R-U106. Its the
> Western Atlantic Modal Haplogroup. I've been told that he is unlikely of
> Basque origin, although our family story is that we come from San
> Sebastian. Certainly, his matches have yet to suggest a Basque origin.

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Hi John, thanks for the info. Can you tell me how Diego Gonzalez de
Hermosillo connects to Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (married to María Muñoz)?

Thanks John,

Saludos,
[Rick Rodriguez]

Claudia, when we add the DNA factor and get match's from other countries it is startling.  My mothers paternal line, Gutierrez, that I can document back to 1650 or so in Michoacan before moving to Jalisco in 1760 came back haplogroup N. I have 12 perfect matchs.. all from Finland.  The odd part to me is that the subgroup N3 is found only in Sevilla, Spain and is thought to have been brought there by the party accompanying Moctezumas/Cortes children/grandchildren who were sent back to Spain to be educated.  So, does that make part of the Aztec line from Finland originally?  It is fun to speculate but sometimes a bit of knowledge can really muddy the waters but it is a part of who we are today.

Linda in Marietta, Georgia

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From: "claudiacasillas@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 12:10:25 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Aaron & other R1b males on this forum

Hi Aaron, you seem to know a lot about the R1b

Gloria Casillas

Hola daniel, se que mi comentario no tiene nada que ver con lo que escribiste anteriormente pero necesito preguntarte algo, hace poco comentaste en el "Parte de mi familia los Casillas", que tenias la sospecha de que Juana de ornelas fuera hija de Geronimo de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendoza y su esposa Maria Rubio. yo encontre una Juana de Ornelas Perez nacida en teocaltiche en 1676 hija de Jose de Ornelas y Angelina Perez,tambien encontre a la Juana que mencionas , mi pregunta es: ya que has investigado algo de esta linea, me podrias dar una pista de donde buscar algo referente a esta familia ya que, mi amigo Ruben Casillas me consiguio el acta de matrimonio de Francisco Casillas con Dorotea Ephigenia hijo de Juana de Ornelas y padre desconocidos, y despues de ahi ya no he podido avanzar.No se si cuentes con esta acta o quieras que te la envie.Saludos y Gracias

I'm In..... how can I make the payment?

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Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:31 AM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retonos de Espana en la Nveva Galicia

> If someone is interested we have a copy of Mariano Gonzalez-Leal’s,
> Retonos de Espana en la Nveva Galicia. Tomo I. Los Altos de Jalisco;
> ensayo de historia, antropologia y sociologia de una region de Mejico.
> The price of the book is $160.00 and an email will reserve the book.
>
> Carlos Yturralde
> Hispanic Heritage Project
>

Dear Josef,
I hope you won't be upset with me about this but I want to quit my
position. Can you find someone else? I'm going to try to do other
things and want to be unencumbered by any responsibility. I hope I
didn't offend you when I teased you about being a bad mailman...I
surely didn't mean to but I noticed that you didn't respond and
haven't responded since the day you asked for my address to send me
the lovely mint tea. I did send a nice e-card in thanks to you and
Figan. Let me know. Memarge:)

How about telephoning/e-mailing San Diego County for her own birth certificate/

It's a start in the right direction.

Jose Carlos de Leon

EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me

> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:23:44 -0500
> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Advice Needed: Adoption Parents
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> >
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Joseph,

My younger sister, who was adopted out did just what you advised. She
called all the "Luna's" at a certain city, and identified herself as the
adopted out daughter of my mother.

As it so happened, I was visiting an uncle and my uncle said, "yes, that's
my sister" - we all knew about her, but didn't know her whereabouts. I got
to talk to her, and to make a long story short, today, we enjoy a wonderful
sibling relationship.

Now here's the interesting part. It turns out that her own adopted father
was her natural father. Apparently my mom was willing to take this secret
to her grave. Her adopted parents had children later, after she was
adopted, and my sister was able to confirm she was indeed their half sibling via
DNA. My sister was the apple of her father's eye....it all made sense to
her.

Isn't truth better than fiction?