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Villalpando = Soto

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I am researching my maternal 5th great grandparents, Juan Manuel de Villalpando married to Gertrudis de Soto, on 20 Feb 1757 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2010-02-24 18:46 | Permalink

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My villalpando branch has a jose manuel de villalpando married to a josefa beatriz rodriguez bajo ponce married in nochistlan zacatecas. This family branched off to jalos and to Taos new mexico
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I am researching my maternal 5th great grandparents, Juan Manuel de Villalpando married to Gertrudis de Soto, on 20 Feb 1757 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico. They ahd 5 children: Maria Antonia, Maria Alvina, Jose Gregorio, Pedro Joseph, and Luciano Villalpando.

I am seeking the birth/baptism dates for Juan Manuel de Villalpando and Gertrudis de Soto.

Any help would be appreciated.

Published by josiett – Sun, 2010-02-21 13:00 | Permalink

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Hi!

I am also reseaching my Soto lineage.......but I have only documented
back as far as the 1864 marriage of my great-grandparents Anastacio
Soto and Ma. Dolores Gonzalez in Matamoros, Tamps., Mx. I have some
other leads but they are also in Tamaulipas and I have not had a
chance to research the film. My Soto line went from Matamoros, MX to
Brownsville, TX and then on to the Texas Gulf Coast and Victoria, TX
where my mom was born in 1919.

Prof. Israel Cavazos from Monterrey, Mx once told me the Soto line
came from San Luis, Potosi. I am sure those were the "early" lines
which I have not reached yet.

I will be happy to share any information with you when I find it.
Please keep in touch.

Thanks!

Josie Trevino Trevino
Houston, TX

On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:

> I am researching my maternal 5th great grandparents, Juan Manuel de
> Villalpando married to Gertrudis de Soto, on 20 Feb 1757 in
> Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico. They

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Diego Sermeño

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Alguno de ustedes tiene informacion acerca de Diego Zermeño(Sermeño)quien fue depositario del ayuntaminto de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, en 1683 *, mismo tiempo en que fueron regidores Juan Vazquez de

Tlaxcalan Census of 1591

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Angelina Markle has generously donated her time and talent to transcribe and transliterate the census of the 500 Tlaxcalan families that went to Jalisco, Zacatecas and San Luis Potosi in 1591.

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Published by stanleyalucero – Fri, 2010-02-19 07:39 | Permalink

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Thank you for all of your time and effort for working on this census.

If you are a descendant of the Conquistadores and the Indian women, you may want to start comparing the information on this census to the following lists on Nancy Lopez's Genealogy Links. See: cybergata.com/roots/links.htm. Click on the following lists:
My Early New Mexican Ancestors
Santa Fe's First Families
New Mexico Settlers 1598-1680

Many of the early New Mexico settlers returned to Mexico when don Juan de Onate ordered that one foot be cut off of the Acoma Indian captives.

Also start looking at early records after 1591 of many of the northern states of Mexico including Texas and New Mexico.

For more information about the Tlaxcalans after 1591, see my Tlaxcalan webpage: www.lucerito.net/Tlascateca.htm. [sorry about the misspelling but if I spell Tlascalteca correctly you will not be linked]

Stanley A Lucero
Madera, California

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Angelina Markle.

Thank you very much for sharing the results of your effort and time

Muchas gracias por compartirnos el resultado de tu esfuerzo y tiempo .

Miguel Beltran

grandfather ventura

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This is my first time using this site. BuenaVentura Rojas was born in Cueva Grande Valle de Valpariso Zacatecas. Ventura was born about 1880 and married Leandra Betancourt on 1902.

Research Digest, Vol 49, Issue 15

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I will be presenting at the Milpitas conference on March 6 at the Sheraton Hotel.  Will you be there?

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Stanley,

We look forward to meeting you and to your presentation next Month.

I do plan on being there, see you real soon!!

Alicia,

San Jose,
Calif

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I will be presenting at the Milpitas conference on March 6 at the Sheraton Hotel. Will you be there?

Juan Brito and Antonia Ursula Duran

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Jose de Leon Brito was a "vecino of Zacatecas and a retail merchant." After the death of his wife, Antonia Ursula Duran, and on the request of his mother in law Polonia, on 3 May 1679 he left money t

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Published by oldcar53 – Sun, 2010-02-14 16:30 | Permalink

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Stanley,

Your Duran ancestors ring a bell and while I don't have the records in hand, I have run across some of these names in my research of Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I don't know if they're the same Duranes, but I have seen Polonia Duran and Antonia Duran. I'm sure there are many in different municipalities of Zacatecas. I'll look in my records.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Jose de Leon Brito was a "vecino of Zacatecas and a retail merchant." After the death of his wife, Antonia Ursula Duran, and on the request of his mother in law Polonia, on 3 May 1679 he left money to his grandchildren because he was going to remarry. Ursula Duran was the daughter of Juan Juarez [deceased] and Polonia Duran.

Where can I look to find baptism, marriage and death records for this family?

I

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ENCONTRE NOMBRES

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Nombres encontrados en actas:
Acta de matrimonio juzgado 1 año 1917 libro 492 foja 107
México, D.F. 14 de nov. De 1917
Adalberto Perez Lete originario de Zacatecas de 42 años viudo

Ruiz de Esparza

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First off, Francisco Esparsa (est. 1828) married Maria de la Luz Avila. There marriage should of happened during late 1840's-early and mid 1850's. Next Matiana Esparsa married Pablo Vasquez during the 1850's.

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Published by vr – Wed, 2010-02-10 01:09 | Permalink

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Bill a few questions:

1. How are you related to us in La Luz?
2. Have you ever been to La Luz?
3. Who was Francisco Esparza's parents?
4. Which Esparza married into the Camino family?

Thanks in advance,

Victor Renteria

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Victor,

I think your question was intended for Daniel, and not for me. As far as I
know, I'm NOT related to the Caminos who lived in Hda. de La Luz. Francisco
Esparza was a common name, I have 35 of them in my database. I have two in
my direct line, my 5th GGrandfather who married Josepha de Ulloa in 1703,
and my 3rd GG (grandson of the first) who married Gertrudis de Escobedo 100
years later, in 1803. They both used the surname Ruiz de Esparza. The
first one of the two was the great-grandson of Lope Ruiz de Esparza, and the
second a grandson of the first. As far as I know, neither one had a
connection with the Camino family from Hda. de la Luz. The first one lived
and died in Aguascalientes, and the second in Rincón de Romos.

Saludos,
Bill

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Hi Victor,
The Ruiz de Esparza family was huge! You can find them almost anywhere in Mexico today.It started with Lope Ruiz de Esparza who was born in Spain. He had several kids and from theirthey poured out of Aguascalientes into Jalisco, Zacatecas, Chihuahua from there the rest is history.The Caminos arrived in la Hacienda in 1897. They had come from Calvillo originally, they arrived in Calvillo (probably commuted much) from there and Aguascalientes. I find first mention of them in Calvillo in 1849 when Eugenio I Camino married Maria de los Dolores Martinez de Sotomayor.
As far a Esparza goes...several lines married into our family, the main being Simon Ruiz de Esparzafrom Teocaltiche, his descendants moved to Calvillo then to La Luz. What Francisco are you lookingfor? The other one being Cristobal Manuel Ruiz de Esparza from the city of Aguascalientes. Then I foundanother Antonio Ruiz de Esparza whose descendants made their way to La Luz.
-Daniel
P.S. Elodia is descedant of Simon

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Daniel,

Simon Ruiz de Esparza connects us too? When is he connected to Francisco Ruiz de Esparza. What I'm trying to get is how, when, where, etc. are you, Bill and I connected throught the Esparzas? Where did it start and what lines branched off, etc., etc. It's very fascinating to see how this comes out.

Victor Renteria

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Hello Bill,

Actually my questions were intended for you. Unless, I'm not understanding how this forum works, but it looks to me the following post was posted by you. That is why I was wondering how you were related to the people of La Luz. I appologize if i'm confusing you with Daniel.

YOU WROTE: Ruiz de Esparza

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By Bill Figueroa - Posted on 26 January 2007

First off, Francisco Esparsa (est. 1828) married Maria de la Luz Avila. There marriage should of happened during late 1840's-early and mid 1850's. Next Matiana Esparsa married Pablo Vasquez during the 1850's. In Huanusco the surname Esparsa as I have seen it and what I've been told is Esparza isn't a common surname in that place they all have a connection in La Luz I have several other Esparsa lines that belong to my 4th and 3rd cousins and so forth and should have a connection to ours. Because the Esparsa migrated to Huanusco in a different

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Hello Victor,

It may sound like I wrote that message in 2007, but I can assure you that it
was not me. It is possible that I entered the discussion at some point in
time, but I have no connection to the Esparzas that migrated to Huanusco and
the ranchos in that vicinity. Sounds to me like something Daniel Mendez
would have written.

Bill Figueroa

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Bill,

So that makes us distant relatives, I understand my GGrandmother Elodia Esparza came from la Villita, she was born 1900 and died in 2002 in la luz. One of my uncles visited his cousin there, the family is well established there.

My GGrandmother Elodia Esparza married Romulo Renteria. I remember she was telling me how my GGrandfather Romulo and her met. He was on his horse and dumped some leña in front of her, if she picked it up that meant they were boy/girl friend. So she picked it up and the rest was history.

Real Machos back then I guess.

Anyway, my other question is where/from whome we connect on the Esparza line?

Victor Renteria

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Daniel,

Before Francisco Esparza and María de la Luz Avila moved to Huanusco, they had at least one child. María Esparza Avila was baptized on 5 April 1863 in San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes. Check Batch No. C604351 Bautizos 1863-1870 Source Call No. 0635770. I did not find any others.

Bill

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Hello Bill,

I'm a descendent of Jose Espars(z)a, my g.grandmother was Elodia Esparza Sanchez (his grand daughter), do you know where I can find his parents, siblings, etc.?

Where they at one point Ruiz de Esparza or Ruis De Esparsa?

Daniel sent me my g.grandmother's batism and shows "Esparza"

Thank You!

Victor Renteria

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Hello Victor,

Unfortunately, I don't have much information about recent Esparza
generations. You should ask your parents and grandparents for any
information they may have about their own parents and other ancestors. If
your parents are not living, check family documents that may identify BOTH
of your grandparents and great-grandparents, where they were born, got
married, had children, and where they died and were buried. Who was Elodia
Esparsa Sanchez's husband? Where were your grandparents married? Jose
Esparza is a fairly common name, so I'm afraid we cannot go back any further
without more specific information. Esparza and Rentería are surnames that
have been around Aguascalientes since the early 1600s. You have to work
backwards, from yourself to your parents, from your parents to your
grandparents, etc. After that the search becomes a little easier. The best
sources are church and civil records, final wills and testaments, etc. Any
idea where your family

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Hi Victor and Bill, well I have the flu right now but I can add to this topic, Jose's full name was Jose de Santa Ana Ruiz de Esparza, once I get better, Ill give you a report I have on your line, I have not been able to connect them to Lope, I do know your Esparzas were Spaniards, for sure, my grandpa grew up with them, he even knew Jose Santa ana Jr. son of Jose Santa Sr and Marta Ortiz. As to regard as Ruiz de Esparza, yes the Spanish Esparzas were Ruiz de Esparza originally when they crossed the Atlantic with time and centuries it was shortened down to just Esparza, this isnot always the case, people do still exist as Ruiz de Esparza today, these tend to be the more conservatives, jokes my grandpa. Also Elodia is twice Esparza, I believe her mother is daughter of Alejandro Sanchez and Francisca de Vedoy y Ruiz de Esparza. -Daniel Camino

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Thanks Daniel, another thing I saw on the babtism los abuelos maternos de Elodia Esparza Sanchez was the name Francisca Avedoy, but that's all I know.

My father inlaw also mentions a person named "Nicha Avedoy or Vedoy que llegaron de la Villita" I will ask more questions later.

Victor Renteria

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Hello Bill,

Yes, my grandfather was Estanislao Renteria Esparza, hijo de Romulo Renteria Garcia y Elodia Esparza Sanchez, hija de Jose Santa Ana Esparza Ortiz II and Catarina Sanchez Avedoy, hijo de Jose Santa Ana Esparza I ?? and Marta Ortiz Ordorica?

Victor Renteria

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Daniel,

Here is another clue for your research. I think your ancestor Maria de la Luz Avila was baptized on 11 March 1832 at Parroquia del Sagrario in Aguascalientes. She was the daughter of Joaquin Avila and Feliciana Calvillo. Do you recognize these names? Keep this in mind, but don't forget to check her marriage record FIRST to confirm the names of her parents. For more information check Batch No. 604813 Source 0299468 Bautismos 1831-1832 Parroquia de el Sagrario, Aguascalientes.

Bill

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Daniel,

Success!!! I found your ancestors Francisco Esparza and María de la Luz Avila. They were married in San José, Calvillo on 22 February 1857. Check Batch No. M604355 Sheet 00 Source Call No. 0635888 Marriages 1854-1874. The names of their parents are probably recorded in their marriage record. Let me know what you find out

Bill

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Daniel,

I just got your last message that has more information about your ancestors. It looks like our messages crossed Cyberspace at the same time. I'll look up what I have for the area and let you know later.

Bill

Footnote translation assistance request. Calvillo, Ags. Ayuda de la traducción

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The following is from the May 11, 1845, baptism of Juana Serna, Rancho Agostadero, Calvillo, Ags. Baptism book 13, page 119, entry no. 164, IMAGE NO. 21 OF 145.

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Published by Bill_Figueroa – Sat, 2010-02-13 10:15 | Permalink

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The paragraph reads as follows:

164 164
Agostadero Agostadero

M. Juana María Juana

P.S. Padre Santacruz (Priest)

Los dros. de Los derechos de
este bautismo se este bautismo se
remitieron al remitieron al
Sor. Cura de Señor Cura de
Jalpa Jalpa

Derechos are the fees paid (donated) for the baptism.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Yes, Agostadero is in Jalpa I have several ancestors from there they originally came from Juchipila and Nochistlan.

I think it just means the Cura from Jalpa was notified about the baptisms since tecnically they baptized their child

outside the parish.I have a couple of remitieron baptisms liek yours and I assumed it just meant they were from the

other place.

-Daniel

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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Footnote translation assistance request. Calvillo, Ags. Ayuda de la traducción
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> The following is from the May 11, 1845, baptism of Juana Serna, Rancho Agostadero, Calvillo, Ags. Baptism book 13, page 119, entry no. 164, IMAGE NO. 21 OF 145.
> THE column footnote reads as Follows :
> Agostadero M. Juana P.L. Los dros' de este bautP se remitieron al Sor. Cura de Jalpa.
> Agostadero is the Rancho which is in the Jurisdiccion de Jalpa, Zac. Perhaps I am misreading or dont

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Lozano Research

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Hello,

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Published by resco16 – Thu, 2010-02-11 14:40 | Permalink

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Hi Ray. I have been working on my family history and have come across the name Lozano. My family comes from Zacatecas and Jalisco but I have not found much luck finding anything on Lozano's for that region. My great great grandfather was named Gabino Escobedo and I believe his mother was named Maria Francisca Lozano. I will keep you names in mind and if I find or come across anything interesting I will share it with you. Good luck!

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Raymond Lozano

Hello Resco16,

Thank you for your message. I do appreciate your efforts and I too will keep your family's names in mind as I do my searches.

Ray

Jalisco on Google Street view.

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Probably most of you know about Google street view by now. This company already photographed most of the streets in the United States and now has gone international.

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Yes, this is a great tool for family historians! In fact so much so that one almost feels compelled to travel to the site in person, no?
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Probably most of you know about Google street view by now. This company already photographed most of the streets in the United States and now has gone international. I searched in Jalisco, and to my surprise, they have already photographed several cities and town. I was browsing the site and they show street images of pretty much all of Guadalajara, Zapopan and the metropolitan area. I also noticed that they have some of the main roads in some ranchos we are researching on this website:
Ameca
Villa Corona
Acatlan de Juarez
Chapala
Tala
Tequila

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Nicolás Álvarez de la Cruz y Gonzalo Vargas.

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Hola amigos, alguien de ustedes tiene información acerca de los ancestros de las siguientes parejas:

Nicolás Álvarez de la Cruz, cónyuge de Juana de Estrada, quienes debieron vivir en Ay

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Hola Jorge,
Yo soy descendiente de Nicolas Alvarez de la Cruz, mi linea es por su hijo Cristobal Alvarez de la Cruz, espanol.Quien caso a su prima Maria Alvarez de la Cruz el 25 de mayo de 1711 en Ayo el Chico. Esta ultima es hija de otra Maria Alvarez de la Cruz. Sospecho que son las misma familia? Tengo tres Alvarez de la Cruz que son del mismo tiempo. Una Maria que caso a don Miguel Gomez de Mendoza, Nicolas que caso a Juana de Estrada y la otra Maria cuyo esposo es don Pedro Diaz Castellanos. No se la relacion entre estos tres pero son del mismo epoca.
No se si este apellido fue compuesto por un matrimonio o ya era compuesto legitimamente.
Si encuentre un registro, aunque no se si quiza es posibilidad de ser parientes?
Diego Alvares caso Catalina de la Cruz el 23 de mayo de 1628 en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Guadalajara.
Enviame tu linea y la informacion que tienes de Nicolas y sus hijos, esposa etc.
Gracias,
Daniel
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Hi there Daniel,

My name is Welester G. Alvarado and I would like to ask you help me clarify something . My Great great Grandfather was Candelario Alvarado Luna de la Cruz from Saltillo , Coahuila born in 1792 .

I live in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon , Mexico and the genealogist here claim that all persons with the last name de la Cruz are natives that were given the last name by the priest .

My aunt tells me that on her fathers side they descend from spanish folks . What can you tell about this last name if you can .

Thanks,

Welester

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> Hola Jorge,
> Yo soy descendiente de Nicolas Alvarez de la Cruz, mi linea es por su hijo Cristobal Alvarez de la Cruz, espanol.Quien caso a su prima Maria Alvarez de la Cruz el 25 de mayo de 1711 en Ayo el Chico. Esta ultima es hija de otra Maria Alvarez de la Cruz. Sospecho que son las misma familia? Tengo tres Alvarez de la Cruz que son del mismo tiempo. Una Maria que caso a don Miguel Gomez de Mendoza

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Having a name De La Cruz or de los Santos etc is not necessarily a native american last name.For example in Aguascalientes a very prominent Spanish family was DE LOS SANTOS Y BUSTO.I doubt every single DE LA CRUZ was indio. So far all my DE LA CRuz have been Spaniards,it's odd a genealogist would say that. True, it was common that the priest would give a last namesuch as Iglesias or Cruz or other symbols of the church but one cannot say so unless one knows the history of the family. Alvarez de la Cruz was a Spanish family in southern Los Altosthat extended to Guadalajara and northern Los Altos, with some members pouring into "alteno"Michoacan and "alteno" Guajanuato.

> From: hombrepi@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 02:00:34 +0000
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicolás Álvarez de la Cruz - Daniel
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> Hi there Daniel,
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Daniel,

Do you have any documents dating back to Spain that show the last name de la Cruz ?

Welester

>
> Having a name De La Cruz or de los Santos etc is not necessarily a native american last name.For example in Aguascalientes a very prominent Spanish family was DE LOS SANTOS Y BUSTO.I doubt every single DE LA CRUZ was indio. So far all my DE LA CRuz have been Spaniards,it's odd a genealogist would say that. True, it was common that the priest would give a last namesuch as Iglesias or Cruz or other symbols of the church but one cannot say so unless one knows the history of the family. Alvarez de la Cruz was a Spanish family in southern Los Altosthat extended to Guadalajara and northern Los Altos, with some members pouring into "alteno"Michoacan and "alteno" Guajanuato.
> > Hi there Daniel,
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> > My name is Welester G. Alvarado and I would like to ask you help me clarify something . My Great great Grandfather was Candelario

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No but there is a noble family in Spain whose last name is "something" DE la Cruz, they areDukes of something. I know something doesnt help, but give me some time, ill look them up.According to my research they are the only nobles in Spain to have the DE LA CRUZ last name.I havent connected my Alvarez de la Cruz back to Spain....yet....the oldest I have in my notes:
En 25 de maio de 1711 en Ayo el Chico......Christoval Alvares, espanol, originario y vecino dela feligresia de Tepatitlan, siendo hixo lexitimo de Nicolas Alvares de la Crus y Juana de Estrada,difunta...con Mariana Alvares de la Crus, espanola, h. lex. de don Pedro Castellanos y Maria Alvaresde la Crus....todos espanoles....padrinos....etc
Nicolas deberia nacer en los principos de 1660s mas o menos. Tambien muestra importanciala familia Alvarez de la Cruz por lo tanto varios descendientes utilizan el apellido Alvarez in vezde su apellido paterno. Esta Mariana in vez de Castellanos uso el apellido materno.
> From: hombrepi

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Jorge Luis,

I searched in PARES and found the record of a passenger named "Francisco de la Cruz" who travelled from Spain to Nueva España in 1538.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4840
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
FRANCISCO DE LA CRUZ
Fecha Creación:
1538-04-03
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple

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Alcance y Contenido:
FRANCISCO DE LA CRUZ, hijo de Bartolomé de la Cruz y de María Sánchez de Toledo, vecino de Valmaseda, a Nueva España.

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Índices de Descripción:
Cruz, Francisco de la
Nueva España
Sánchez de Toledo, María
Valmaseda
Instrumentos de Descripción:
Descripción incluida en CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS. VOLUMEN II (1535-1538)

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Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
CONTRATACION,5536,L.5,F.102

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Como mencionas, Cristóbal Álvarez de la Cruz casó con María Álvarez de la Cruz, hija de Pedro Díaz Castellanos y María Álvarez de la Cruz, quienes son de la misma época que mi ancestros Nicolás Álvarez de la Cruz y Juana de Estrada; así también como de Miguel Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y María Álvarez de la Cruz.

Esta última pareja la tengo aprox. unos 15 años atras que los dos mencionadas anteriormente.

Yo desciendo de la hija de Nicolás Álvarez de la Cruz y Juana de Estrada, llamada Micaela Estrada de la Cruz, no se porque ellá utilizó el apellido de su madre, imagino que era de mas importancia la familia Estrada que la Álvarez de la Cruz, pero no estoy seguro. Micaela casó con Diego Vargas Romero, hijo de Gonzalo de Vargas y María Romero. De ellos desciende la familia de la Paz y Castro de Tepatitlán.

¿Tu no tienes información de Nicolás de la Paz y Castro quien casó dos veces, la primera con Ana María Franco y la segunda en 1770 con Juana Teresa Vargas Estrada, hija de

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Me equivoque de este dato habia un Juan Pedro que fue bautizado 27 de junio de 1672, hijo deprimer mujer de Pedro Diaz Castellanos, Ana de Comparan.

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Joseph Martin de PENA=Maria Rufina XIMENES

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The persons above are my maternal 5th Great Grandparents. They were married 08 Nov 1761 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (Nuestra Senora de los Dolores). I have found 1 child, Franciso born about 1757.

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My marin dela pena losa were from teolcaltiche during this time.
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The persons above are my maternal 5th Great Grandparents. They were married 08 Nov 1761 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (Nuestra Senora de los Dolores). I have found 1 child, Franciso born about 1757. He married Maria Alvina de Villalpando

Source: LDS Film No. 0639756, Batch No. M602488. I am seeking there birth/baptismal dates, and location - Joseph Martine de Pena and Maria Rufina Ximenes.

Can anyone help me?

Thank you.

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Paul,

I found these names but they are from another state:

Joseph Martin Pena, ch. 3 Feb 1709, San Martin Obispo, Alfajayucan, Hidalgo,
Mexico. His parents: Agustin Martin and Lorenza Pena. [Batch 612698 (1662-1735),
Ser. # 05492, film # 0669192], and

Maria Rufina Ximenes, ch 11 Sep 1728, La Asuncion, Pachuca de Soto, Hidalgo,
Mexico - Her parents: Antonio Ximenes and Maria Pascuala. [Batch C613805, Ser
#04044 (1719-1729), film # 0266513].

Esther Jordan Lopez

p.s. Paul, I haven't had time to sort out my Villarruel family but hope to do it
soon.  Thanks again.

On February 1, 2010 at 12:37 AM paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:

> The persons above are my maternal 5th Great Grandparents. They were married 08
> Nov 1761 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (Nuestra Senora de los Dolores). I have found
> 1 child, Franciso born about 1757. He married Maria Alvina de Villalpando
>
> Source: LDS Film No. 0639756, Batch No. M602488. I am seeking there
> birth/baptismal dates, and location - Joseph

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Thank you, Esther! Thanks to you I am back on the trail.

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Paul,

I found these names but they are from another state:

Joseph Martin Pena, ch. 3 Feb 1709, San Martin Obispo, Alfajayucan, Hidalgo,
Mexico. His parents: Agustin Martin and Lorenza Pena. [Batch 612698
(1662-1735),
Ser. # 05492, film # 0669192], and

Maria Rufina Ximenes, ch 11 Sep 1728, La Asuncion, Pachuca de Soto, Hidalgo,
Mexico - Her parents: Antonio Ximenes and Maria Pascuala. [Batch C613805,
Ser
#04044 (1719-1729), film # 0266513].

Esther Jordan Lopez

p.s. Paul, I haven't had time to sort out my Villarruel family but hope to
do it
soon.  Thanks again.

On February 1, 2010 at 12:37 AM paul.gomez@verizon.net

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Dear Esther,

I found three children born to Antonio Ximenes and Maria Pascuala. If you
do not have those names, and information, I will gladly e-mail them to you.

Paul Gomez

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Martin de PENA=Maria Rufina XIMENES

Paul,

I found these names but they are from another state:

Joseph Martin Pena, ch. 3 Feb 1709, San Martin Obispo, Alfajayucan, Hidalgo,
Mexico. His parents: Agustin Martin and Lorenza Pena. [Batch 612698
(1662-1735),
Ser. # 05492, film # 0669192], and

Maria Rufina Ximenes, ch 11 Sep 1728, La Asuncion, Pachuca de Soto, Hidalgo,
Mexico - Her parents: Antonio Ximenes and Maria Pascuala. [Batch C613805,
Ser
#04044 (1719-1729), film # 0266513].

Esther Jordan Lopez

p.s. Paul, I haven't had time to sort out

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Yes, Paul, I am interested in these children.  Thank you.
 
Esther Jordan

On February 8, 2010 at 10:22 PM Paul Gomez wrote:

> Dear Esther,
>
> I found three children born to Antonio Ximenes and Maria Pascuala.  If you
> do not have those names, and information, I will gladly e-mail them to you.
>
> Paul Gomez
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> esther@enhanced.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:04 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Martin de PENA=Maria Rufina XIMENES
>
> Paul,
>
> I found these names but they are from another state:
>
> Joseph Martin Pena, ch. 3 Feb 1709, San Martin Obispo, Alfajayucan, Hidalgo,
> Mexico. His parents: Agustin Martin and Lorenza Pena. [Batch 612698
> (1662-1735),
> Ser. # 05492, film # 0669192], and
>
> Maria Rufina Ximenes, ch 11 Sep 1728, La Asuncion, Pachuca de Soto, Hidalgo,
> Mexico

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Search as if the last name marin de la pena losa. I had an ancestor martin pena on one document and it turned out to be marin de la pena losa arenas.
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The persons above are my maternal 5th Great Grandparents. They were married 08 Nov 1761 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (Nuestra Senora de los Dolores). I have found 1 child, Franciso born about 1757. He married Maria Alvina de Villalpando

Source: LDS Film No. 0639756, Batch No. M602488. I am seeking there birth/baptismal dates, and location - Joseph Martine de Pena and Maria Rufina Ximenes.

Can anyone help me?

Thank you.

Research Digest, Vol 49, Issue 5

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Yo tiengo

Martin Ochoa-de-Elizalde cc Maria Navarro-Rodriguez
hijos
Salvador Ochoa-de-Elizalde cc Catalina de-la-Garza-Falcon
Juana de Ochoa-Ruelas cc Andres Gonzalez-Quintanilla

Juana nacio

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Espanol sigue abajo.

With all of the new membership, it is worth repeating some basic guidlines that we would like members to follow when posting messages to the Nuestros Ranchos forums:

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Published by matusalem – Fri, 2010-02-05 08:31 | Permalink

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Hace tiempo, solicité ayuda sobre nacimientos y matrimonios en Sain Alto...ojalá alguien me pueda ayudar pus no sé de donde pueda sacar la informcion.

Mis ancestros son:

Bruno Hernandez Perez b) 6 febrero 1888 Sain Alto Zacatecas

Jesus Hernandez + Carmen Perez de ellos no tengo fecha de nacimiento ni de casamiento.

Saludos Matu

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Beatriz Lopez-de-Elizalde is the daughter of Don Juan Lopez-de-Elizalde-y-Aberruza
and Dona Leonor Becerra-y-Sanchez-de-Mendoza

John Inclan

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Pregunto a John Inclan....los Elizalde que aparecen en Nuevo Leon, los que se casan con las hijas de Blas de la Garza Falcon ....supongo que vienen de estos Elizalde de Zacatecas....tiene Ud. alguna genealogia de este apellido?
Matusalem

Busco appellidos Perez & Gonzalez , De la Torre & Garcia Pinedo en Jalisco y Zacatecas

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Hola soy Isabel,

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Hablando con mi tia me dijo que encontro el acta de bautismo de mi abuela Maria de Jesus De la Torre. En el acta tiene que los abuelos de Maria de Jesus son Leonardo De la torre nacido 1849 en Huejuguilla y Emeteria Rodriguez nacida 1852 en Huejuguilla. Leonardo y Emeteria se casaron el 21 de Noviembre de 1874 en Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas.

Conforme a familysearch.org

Padres de Leonardo De la Torre son:
Ramon De la Torre
Maria Felix

Padres de Emeteria Rodriguez son:
Nabor Rodriguez
Jesus Garcia
..........................
Tambien me dijo el otro apellido de la mama de mi abuelo Bartolo, y es Josefina Gonzalez Samaripa.

La acta de bautismo y otros documentos no los voy a obtener hasta que mi tia venga para la boda de mi hermana en Abril, por lo pronto es lo que tengo.

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Isabel:

Gracias por dar tu historia familiar tan detallada ya que en la genealogia no buscamos apellidos si no personas... ya veras que cuando llegues a siglos antigos los apellidos cambian o se intercambian muchisimo.

Te tengo un par de sugerencias pare encontrar los padres de Eleuterio y Josefina:

Ancestry.com tiene una base de datos con los registros de cruzadas de la frontera entre Mexico y EEUU desde 1905 a 1957. Hay dos entradas para Eleuterio Perez. Muchas bibliotecas tienen acceso gratuito a esta base de datos. Los registros muchas veces incluyen informacion familiar incluso nombres de padres.

http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1082

La Administracion de Seguro Social tiene una base de datos de personas fallecidas y que encontrando el numero de seguro social de una persona se puede pedir su registro que tiene los nombres de sus padres.

http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/

Finalmente, podrias ponerte en contacto con el registro de Greenlee County, Arizona

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