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Paul, what are the approximate dates and locations were they might be
from? I have Villalpando and Villareal in my family. --Esther Jordan Lopez

paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:
> Christobal de Villalpando and Maria Antonia de Villareal are my 6th
> great grandparents. Does anyone know who their parnets were? I seem
> to have come to the end of the line.

Thank you to all the volunteers!! I really appreciate your dediction to this group and I wanted to personally say to you all that your efforts do not go unnoticed. Jose Luis Felix has been a "thoughful cousin" as he has shared some of his records with me.

Gracias a todos los voluntarios. Les agradecemos el apoyo que le dan a este grupo. Y un especial agradecimiento a Jose Luis Felix por ser un "primo generoso," y haberme aportado algunos datos sobre los Felix de Nochistlan.

Saludos y Felices Fiestas a todos los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos!

Happy Holidays to all the members of Nuestros Ranchos!

-Claudia

¿Cómo me puedo meter al portal de los mormones? Yo sabía pero ya lo olvide.
 
Muchas gracias
 
Juan Ramón Alvarez

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, migueltran@gmail.com wrote:

From: migueltran@gmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lucas de Ochoa y Josefa Lopez de Lara
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:21 AM

   Me encuentro atorado con la pareja que fueron  Lucas De ochoa y Maria Josefa Lopez de Lara, padres de:
   1.-Julian, Casado el 10 de febrero de 1752 en Lagos con Juana Maria de Arce y Castilla, hija de Sebastian de Arce y Castilla y de Juana Gomez Calvillo
   2.-José, Casado el 17 de febrero 1749 igualmente en Lagos, con Barbara Moreno Rodriguez, hija ésta de Antonio Moreno Rodriguez y de Juana de Nava

   No he encontrado ni matrimonio de Lucas y Josefa, ni Bautizo de alguno de sus hijos.Ojalá álguien pueda ayudarme.

Muchas gracias, Stuart, for taking the time to share your insights re the
source of copying errors. They are much appreciated. -Raquel

Hi Omar,

I don't have any new information for you but your Surname caught my attention since the only time I have seen it is when Godina is mispelled or read incorrectly... Except, I have heard of the composer, Genaro Codina and I believe there is also a city by the same name...

Out of curiosity, what is the name of Jose Eufracio Codina's spouse and date of marriage? Also, what is the name of Mucio Codina's spouse? I too have family from Jerez, Zacatecas and I am just curious if my family crossed your family's path...

Thanks,
Angie Godina

I have info on Julio Jimenez and Telesfora as well on Romualdo Vera and Tiburcia PAredes,

what do you need exactly? Ancestors go back to at least mid 1700s. Kids? Grandkids?
-Daniel

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Joseph, parece que te estas refiriendo a los números de Batch que se encuentran en: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18248

Con mucho gusto me gustaría ayudar a definir cuales números de batch sirven y cuales no. Yo eh utilizado listas similares y cuando no sirve el numero de batch de vez en cuando funciona el numero de microfilm puede ser utilizado para ver la misma lista que la del numero de batch.

Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane

Id be glad to volunteer!
-Daniel

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Joseph, it seems that you are referring to the batch numbers found at: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18248

With great pleasure I would like to help define which batch numbers work and which ones do not. I have used similar lists and when the batch number does not work, occasionally the microfilm number can be used to see the same list as that of the batch number.

Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane

Re: "It boils down to choice, we are free to choose...all are valid choices, each one is a truth unto itself. I suppose we should rejoice that we a free to choose and BE what ever we want to be, even if it is as simple as "I am my fathers son"."

I agree with you for the most part. I also appreciated the thoughts of others regarding "being Mexican" or "being New Mexican." Good stories, all of them.

It reminds me of the book "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" by Vicente Blasco Ibanez, which had much to do with the same themes: immigrants, the stories of their struggles, their travel back to Europe, and their psychological identity problems with "mother" countries. (The book was originally in Spanish, "Los cuatro jinetes del apocalipsis."). The main character's family was originally French but wound up in Argentina, where they did very well and prospered. The main character eventually went back to France (long story) but his timing was bad: beginning of World War I. To make a long

Hello Rosie,

For what it's worth, there is a very long list of places within
Jalostotitlán (which is in Teocaltiche). These are the ones I have
discovered so far: el Aire, Amargosa, Arroyo del Róbado, Arroyo del
Prieto, Aventurero, Azuela, Azúchiles, Bajío, Barreras, Buenavista,
Calachimé, Campinita, Carretero, Casas Viejas, Casita, pueblo Cañada,
Cañada de Guzmán, Cañada Honda, Cañada-Delgadillo, Cedros, Cerro
Blanco, Cerro Colorado, Cerro de la Cruz, Cerro de la Llave, Cerro del
Corazón, Coca, la Cofradía, Corral de Piedra, Coyotes, Cueva, el
Deseo, Epazote, Estancia, Gabrieles, Cavilán, Hornos, Huisquilco,
Huiizachal, hacienda el Húmedo, Jalostotitlán, Jerusalem, Jesús María,
la Joya, La Venta, Labor de Alvalsa, Labor de Jiménez, Ladinos,
Lagunas, hacienda la Laja, el Laurel, Llano, Lobos, Loma del Toro,
Mesa Alta, Mesa de Carranza, la Mina, congregación Mitic, Monte Largo,
Mulato, Paleta, Pamarejo, Palo Alto, Palo de Cruz, Palo de la Laja,
congregación Pegueros, Peña Colorado

Hi Rosie, if you cant find Gama continue looking or Gama and also Estrada. A typical alteno family might have included different names used. Or it could have been a compound name de Estrada y Gama? The marriage recordusually had the places were the person was born, have you checked informacion matrimonial? Daniel
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Welcome Daisy,

You did a very good job of presenting yourself, your family names, your areas of interest and provided your genealogy as you know it.

You made it easy for anyone who has information in your area of research to help you. For a newbie to this group I was impressed.

I liked the part of new primos, as if you needed anymore. That's the case for most of us, we have many cousins that we know of, it's those long lost elusive cousins that we don't know, that we'd like to find.

I hope it proves to be fruitful for you and welcome to this wonderful group. You'll find someone always willing to help if you pose the right question with as many details as possible.

Saludos de San Jose, Ca

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From: Daisy Larios
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 12:04:42 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hello!

Hi everyone,

I am a new member of Nuestros Ranchos so I wanted to introduce myself. So
far I've loved the conversations that I've

Hello 1gnzlz,

Saints Day Wall Calendar. Unknown Source. Accuracy unknown.
Actually, it came from a calendar provided by a local business.
I no longer have the original. I occasionally find this calendar
useful - Many children were named for the patron saint of their birth
or sometimes christening date.

Enero
1. Oct de la Natividad del Señor
2. San Gregorio
3. Santa Genoveva
4. San Prisciliano
5. Santa amela
6. Los Santos Reyes
7. San Raymundo
8. San Apolinar
9. San Julián
10. San Gonzalo
11. San Higinio
12. San Alfredo
13. San Hilario
14. Santa Macrina
15. San Mauro
16. San Marcelo
17. San Antonio Abad
18. San Leobardo
19. San Mario
20. San Fabián y Sebestián
21. Santa Inés
22. San Vicente
23. San Ildefonso
24. San Francisco de Sales
25. Converción de San Pablo
26. San Timoteo
27. Santa Ángela
28. Santo Tomás de Aquino
29. San Aquilino
30. Santa Martina
31

My religious calendar from the Basilica of the National Shrine of Immaculate Conception has St. Polycarp for Feb 23rd.

Pat Silva Corbera

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From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:59:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saints

Does anybody in this group knows what Saints' names were celebrated or listed in the religious calendar for February 23?
I remeber seeing a message on the Religious Calendar, in this forum, a few months ago.

Cuales Santos se celebran,de acuerdo con el calendario religioso, el dia 23 de Febrero?

Gracias por su ayuda.

John Gonzalez.

Cada dia se celebran distintos santos, en este caso, San Policarpo, y otros
mas, puedes consultar esta pagina para cualquier duda del santoral
http://www.ewtn.com/SPANISH/Saints/Policarpo.htm

Saludos
Patty

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM, <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:

> Does anybody in this group knows what Saints' names were celebrated or
> listed in the religious calendar for February 23?
> I remeber seeing a message on the Religious Calendar, in this forum, a few
> months ago.
>
> Cuales Santos se celebran,de acuerdo con el calendario religioso, el dia 23
> de Febrero?
>
> Gracias por su ayuda.
>
> John Gonzalez.
>

The main saint is St Peter Damian, followed by St Florentius, St Serenus, St Medrald, St Dositheus and St Lazarus

Rose

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(http://www.catholic-saints.info/saint-of-the-day/saint-of-the-day-for-f…)

Originals not really original.

Having spent considerable time with the Pilot.FamilySearch images of
christening records of Rincón de Romos and San José de Gracia,
Aguascalientes, I have reached a few conclusions I hadn't really
expected before.

There are a lot of inconsistencies in the records - mistakes or errors
- which I had first believed were mostly due to incomplete or
inaccurate information from the parties involved: in other words, the
informants were not well informed. But the kinds of mistakes (I've
been able to correlate many multiple references to the same
individuals in several families) suggest something else: namely, that
the mistakes (and there are many of them) are copying errors.

For example, many of the mistakes are names that look very similar but
do not necessarily sound similar: like Castorena for Contreras, Chavez
for Chaires, Filomena for Florencia, Montoya for Mendoza, and many
more. Even though the handwriting is clear, it must have been copied
from

"Mal de Ojo" is an inherited belief from Europe - also known as the Evil
Eye. Essentially, it is believed that some people have the ability to
either consciously (curse) or unconsciously inflict pain upon someone based on
their thinking jealous thoughts or wishing harm upon others while looking at
them. It is believed that the concept originated in the middle east.

In Mexico, the primary ones who are deemed vulnerable are very young
children. I remember my family believing this, and would invite the person to
touch or hold the baby. I also remember that if a child had an eye
infection, it was believed they had "mal ojo".

J. Antonio Camacho

I do not believe that it is witchcraft; it seems to be more superstition than anything.

Friday, July 20, 2008

Dear Claudia--

Nice to have you as a new member. I have a friend who
does research from time to time in the area of
Moyahua. I think it is either her husband or herself
who are Reynoso. I will check with her and get back
to you.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- Claudia_Reynoso wrote:

>
> Hi everyone. I am a new member and wanted to
> introduce myself. My name is Claudia Reynoso.
>
> To be brief, as brief as I can be, here are bullet
> items:
>
> -my family hails from MOYAHUA, ZACATECAS (ranchos my
> grandfather speaks of: El Pitayo, Buenavista, Barras
> Amarillas, Santa Cruz, and El Aguado)
> -i am bi-lingual, so you can communicate with me in
> English or Spanish
> -most of my family now resides in the USA, with
> distant reltives scattered throughout Zac., Jal.,
> and Baja Cal.
> -the oldest living REYNOSO I know if my great-aunt,
> AURELIA REYNOSO (her maiden name). she is 84 years
> old
>
> I am hoping

Welcome Claudia! Definitely prima :-)

All the Reynosos in Moyahua, Juchipila and Amoxochitl are related, all come from 2 brothers. Am sure Ronnie, otro primo :-), can elaborate.

Bienvenida.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Espero puedas leer el elpañol.

Yo vivo en Encarnacion de Diaz, Conozco a varias personas de apellido Martinez y Martin; algunos de los martin su ascendencia es Martin de campo, pero de la mayoria de los Martin y los Martinez se bien que como bien dicen los compañeros, descienden de ancestros de apellido Martin(ez)de Sotomayor, establecidos mayormente hacia el area de La Soledad, Los Lomelines y Los Sauces.

Yo personalemente desciendo de Manuel Martin de Sotomayor y Magaña, Casado en Jalostotitlán el 6 de mayo de 1748 con Maria Teresa Lozano, quienes tuvieron por hijos a :

1.-Maria Gertrudis (de quien desciendo). Casada con Pedro Joseph Zermeño y Romo de Vivar.
2.-Jose Felipe de Santiago
3.-Jose Antonio Tiburcio
4.-Jose Antonio Abad
5.-Maria Guadalupe
6.-Maria Benita de la Cruz.

Ya buscaste en la pagina www.familysearch.org?

If you have seen Martines/Martin used interchangeably I suspect it might be the Martinez de Sotomayor family.

Female lines (from what I have seen so far) used Martin de Sotomayor while the direct males used Martinez

de sotomayor.

-Daniel

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This is an interesting twist that takes you to a new place (Nayarit). You will have to order the relevant films from Nayarit to get further back since neither of these extractions appears to have the names of the parents of Fernando Covarrubias or Micaela Avila. I would suspect from the fact that they ended up in Cartagenas, Totatiche which is the ancestral home of the Covarrubias (owned by a Pedro de Covarrubias back in the early 1600s) that this Fernando and Pedro Covarrubias are descended from the same bunch, made their way to Nayarit and then back, but we will need to find the paper trail to prove it.

PEDRO COVARRUBIAS Pedigree
Christening: 1854 El Sagrario, Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FERNANDO COVARRUBIAS
Mother: MICAELA AVILA
Source Information: Batch No. C026907

FERNANDO COBARRUVIAS
Marriages:
Spouse: MICAELA ABILA Family
Marriage: 01 MAY 1854 San Pedro, San Pedro Lagunillas, Nayarit, Mexico
Source Information: Batch No.: M602454

Marina:

Welcome to the group. I do not see a genealogy posted for you and without dates and place names, names are not very useful in genealogy... particularly names as common as Pedro Covarrubias.

I think I have found your great-grandparents' marriage record. One piece of advice: you should begin compiling this information in a genealogy database program such as PAF or Legacy and source and annotate every addition you make to your database very well, with dates, placenames, alternative spellings for names, etc. otherwise you will end up getting lost in your search.

This is from familysearch.org.

Tomasa HERNANDES
Age At Marriage: 17, Birth: 1861>
Parents:
Father: Dionisio HERNANDEZ
Mother: Cesilia HUISAR
Marriage: 09 Oct 1878 Place: Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Spouse: Pedro COVARRUVIAS
Age At Marriage: 25, Birth: 1853>
Parents:
Father: Fernando COVARRUVIAS
Mother: Micaela DE AVILA

Source Information: Batch Number: M617073, Film or Fiche Number: 1164033

Hello -
 
Can you please expand on the comment that you made about the FLORES surname being brought into Zacatecas?
 
Thank you,
 
Rudy

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, latina1955@aol.com wrote:

From: latina1955@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Provenance of Indigenous Peoples in Select Cities of N
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:42 PM

Emilie,

>From what I can recall studying African History in Latin America, it  is
widely believed that most of the Africans brought into Central and South 
America were initially from Yoruba, which was then a nation east of what is  now
known as Benin, however it is difficult to tell, as tribal people were
often  separated, as the slave holders didn't want them to be able to
communicate with  each other in their native tongue.  I seem to recall an isolated
community  in Guerrero was discovered where linguists were able to trace their
language to  Yoruba.  Because of these practices, it is difficult for

Maria,
 I believe some Ojuelos 1930 Census have been done.  I don't know if all are.  I
know I am working in the 1930 Census for Guadalajara, Jalisco at the present
time.  You might check the pilot program and see if anything has been updated
for Ojuelos.
-Esther Jordan Lopez

On December 2, 2009 at 4:25 PM maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:

> Does anyone know when the 1930 Census for Ojuelos De Jalisco is going to be
> availabe?
>

I found Juana's baptism: not sure if it helps? -Daniel Mendez

IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0

Mexico

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JUANA GETRUDIS CAMACHO
Pedigree

Female

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

18 JUL 1759
San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
JUAN JOSEPH CAMACHO
Family

Mother:
MARIA OLAYA

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C601464
1756 - 1770
1095296
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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Well we also have to understand the reasons for these marriages. In most
cases here in Los Altos, many of our ancestors lived in ranches in an almost
socially isolated environment. By socially isolated I mean that they had
hardly any contact with people from other ranches. The only time they saw
other people that weren't their close family was on Sundays when the whole
family went to church and to the town market to buy their supplies for the
week, that's when what they grew and produced in-home wasn't sufficient
(this still happens today with some families here in Los Altos).

The only people they had interaction with were their family members that
lived nearby or visited them, so for them it wouldn't be awkward for cousins
to get to know and talk to each other and eventually marry and form their
own family. Alteño males were (and most sill are) very jealous people and
machos, so some preferred their daughters marry into the family then give
her away to a "stranger", not knowing what

Re: Royal blood to Ed and the story that ensues.

Like the previous thread, I am not sure how to take this. I certainly am not bitter or wise, simply fascinated in genealogy. Who are we? I personally love the psychological aspects of our quest into the past. We are all looking for something, aren't we? Not all for the same reason.

Maybe the author of the comment was referring to another Ed. If so, I apologize for assuming that the story was offered to me.

Saludos,

Ed Serros, MD