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ana de la trinidad garcia's parents are juan garcia and isabel gutierrez

just a small correction. her name was Ana de la Trinidad Garcia and only one record among many lists her as Benedicta. Her husbands name is actually Jose Antonio del Carmel/Carmen Caldera. They are my ancestors too. I find most of their family in El Durazno, Jerez Zac but find them with the Caldera family in La Boca de San Pedro, as padrinos and witness's but have not been able to prove they are related.
I also have this marriage record for Jose (Dionicio) Ceballos and Agustina Medrano
.
marriage 7 Feb 1781 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Seballos Espanol
parents: Agustin Seballos and Rita Bermudes
with Agustina Medrano Espanola
natural child of Monica Medrano
godparents: Jose Caldera and Paula Gertrudis
source: 0440060 Jerez marriage
page 260 Family search online program

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:57 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Here is a bit more information from Aaron the PBS Researcher:

Hi Joseph,

José de la Lus Ramírez's wife's name was Apolinaria Ceballos. Her father was

FYI,

Maria Cortez of Nuestros Ranchos and Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society is
currently doing research for PBS, Finding your roots, the Henry Louis Gates
production. That would make 2 people from Nuestros Ranchos.

Alicia

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

> If anyone in the group would like to work on this project it would be great
> if you would bring some attention to the http://nuestrosranchos.org group
> if
> the findings get presented on PBS.
>
> Here is some information I received directly from Aaron with some info
> posted on the Zacatecas rootsweb group included at the bottom:
>
> As stated before, I am a researcher for a PBS show called Finding Your
> Roots, that explores race, culture, and identity through the genealogies
> and
> family histories of notable celebrities.
> I am trying to trace the line of Jose de La Lus Ramirez, born March 1781
> in
> Jerez, Zacatecas, and the line of Joseph Antonio Luciano Caldera, born
> December 14, 1755 in El

Joseph este es el link de mi Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/digifoto.jardinesdelvalle?ref=tn_tnmn

2014-06-25 16:28 GMT-05:00 Joseph Puentes :

> The NGGS will be having another great conference. Please click on this link
> http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/NGGSFlyer.jpeg for all the details. Save
> the
> date and come prepared to learn.
>
>
>
> For more information contact Alicia Carrillo or Martin Perez (email
> addresses in the linked material)
>

Laurie Machen
Thank you

Edgar Olguin Diaz
BUENOS DIAS
A TODOS LOS PRESENTES

ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR
QUIEN TIENE INFORMACION DE LOS PADRES DE NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LOS DE REGINA DE ALVARADO?

EXISTE ALGUN TESTAMENTO ?
ALGUNA DISPENSA O DOTE MATRIMONIAL DONDE SE MENCIONA LOS LINAJES DE ESTA PAREJA?

AGRADEZCO LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGAN UN EXCELENTE DIA
SALUDOS

Edgar Olguin Diaz
BUENOS DIAS
A TODOS LOS PRESENTES

ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR
QUIEN TIENE INFORMACION DE LOS PADRES DE NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LOS DE REGINA DE ALVARADO?

EXISTE ALGUN TESTAMENTO ?
ALGUNA DISPENSA O DOTE MATRIMONIAL DONDE SE MENCIONA LOS LINAJES DE ESTA PAREJA?

AGRADEZCO LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGAN UN EXCELENTE DIA
SALUDOS

Edgar Olguin Diaz
BUENOS DIAS
A TODOS LOS PRESENTES

ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR
QUIEN TIENE INFORMACION DE LOS PADRES DE NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LOS DE REGINA DE ALVARADO?

EXISTE ALGUN TESTAMENTO ?
ALGUNA DISPENSA O DOTE MATRIMONIAL DONDE SE MENCIONA LOS LINAJES DE ESTA PAREJA?

AGRADEZCO LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGAN UN EXCELENTE DIA
SALUDOS

I'V DONE RESEARCH PER NICOLAS LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE AND REGINA ALBARADO.
4 CHILDREN
NICOLAS PARENTS JUAN LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE Y LEONOR BECERRA.
I'M A NEW MEMBER OF THIS GROUP BUT IF I CAN HELP LET ME KNOW.
MARY E

Mary Gervassi

Have you tried searching in the LDS? I did a search and came up with 4 children and one married. This is in the year of the 1600"s in Aguascalientes. Is this where your family is from?

Mary

Hola...leyendo en notas del 2007, encuentro sobre el apellido ELIZALDE.

mI BISABUELA es MACEDONIA ELIZALDE SALAS, (nacida en Aguascalientes en 1849), hija de JOSE GREGORIO ELIZALDE BAÑUELOS, ( nacido en Guadalcazar S. L.P. en 14 mayo 1825, Y de ANACLETA SALAS ) hijo de JOSE EDUARDO ELIZALDE GARCIA ( nacido en 1798 en Sta. Elena, Rìo Verde S.L.P.) hijo de JOSE MANUEL ELIZALDE Y MA. GUADALUPE GARCIA.

Estos datos los obtuve de FAMILY SEARCH, records.

Daniel,

According to my records, the first López de Elizalde (also spelled Lizalde, Lisalde, etc.) in the area was Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza, born in Tolosa, Navarra (Spain). He married Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza 21 Jan 1585 in San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Some of their children were born and lived in Aguascalientes. Here is a quick genealogy report on the first generation.

1. Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza was born in Tolosa, Navarra, Spain. He married Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza 21 Jan 1585 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of Juan Becerra y Hurtado de Mendoza and Anna Sánchez de Mendoza. Leonor was born in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico.

Children of Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza were:

2 i. Juan López de Elizalde. He married María Burgueño; died 12 Dec 1638 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. Mexico.

3 ii. María López de Elizalde, born

Édgar,

Soy nono-bisnieto de Gerónima de Escoto y Tovar y su marido Joaquin Muñoz de la Barba. También tengo las mismas dudas, no encuentro fuentes confiables para las genealogías. Según el investigador muy reconocido, Jaime Holcome e Isunza la vinculó como hija de Antonio de Escoto y Tovar e Inés Ortiz de Rodas. Hasta hoy no he encontrado algún documento que lo consta y lo peor es que no encuentro un documento que lo niega.

Puedes compartir los hijos que encontrastes para dicha pareja? Tenté buscar en FamilySearch sin éxito.

Espero que todos los investigadores, si se quieren considerar serios y dedicados, que aprendan como documentar, analyzar, compruebar sus genealogías con documentos fidedignos. Realmente, me ha causado una angustia, corregir tantos datos erróneos en “sitios genealógicos.” En la genealogía y su estudio, la organización es primordial y produce tranquilidad. En esa forma nuestros datos y archivo goza de validez.

Gracias antemano,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

You mentioned Maria Dimas de la Paz, you are right her parents were Maximo de la Paz and Maria Agatona Ledesma,I have them in my tree. I also have Maximo de la Paz parents,Pedro Ramon de la Paz(1762 to 3/5/1825 Huejuquilla)and Maria Gertrudis Luna. Pedro Ramon had 2 other wives which were Maria Josefa Aguilar and Maria Ygnes Miramontes. Pedro Ramon de la Paz parents were Eugenio Fernando de la Paz(8/5/1737 Aguascalientes)and Maria Luisa de la Torre. He was also married to Maria Ciriaca Flores.Eugenio Fernando de la Paz parents were Antonio de la Paz and Anna de Luera.
I'm sorry I dont have the links to all this info, but I did the research myself and saved the images for reference.If you would like copies of the images let me know and I will try to figure out how to send the image to just you through the website, if not I can just email you the images.
Ruben

I've been reading your past post on your research and I too have ancestors that originated in Mezquitic around the same time and ended up in Huejuquilla and Valparaiso in the Rancho de los Maderas and Rancho Jimulco. Except, my ancestors were Navarrete and de la Paz. Both families did marry into the Maderas. I was only able to go back to early 1700's with Agustin Navarrete and wife Leonora Rivera.Their son's Domingo Navarrete (1724 Mezquitic) and Juan Navarrete (1735 Mezquitic). I am trying to see if Maria Magdalena Navarrete(your ancestor) was related to them in any way.
Also, these are some of my other ancestor last names from Huejuquilla and Valparaiso from about the same time, de la Paz y Esparza, Perez y Carrillo, Diaz y Banuelos, Catano y Flores,Pacheco y Miramontes, and Gallegos. I am glad you found the image you were looking for, since a lot of Huejuquilla is not indexed. I remember the frustration researching Huejuquilla baptisms because the images were very blurry but

welcome to the wonderful world of family trees going back to the same person. If I remember right my cousin Daniel said he has one line that goes back 17 times to the same person in Lagos.. You must also remember that the founding families sometimes made pacts to only marry Espanol and when you start with 10 or 15 families it doesn't take long to be related to everyone!
Another suggestion, never judge lineage by skin, eye or hair color. My Mother was blond, blue eyed and extremely fair skinned but had Indian and black ancestors. If we are lucky we find we are all that Mexico had to offer and one couple could produce babies in all skin tones, hair color and eye color.
Linda in Olympia

On Monday, June 9, 2014 1:14 AM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Oh my God!  I found the matrimonio of my GGGG Grandparents Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar which is in the year 1760 and I am shocked from where it says about their origins!

http://oi62.tinypic.com/ot233n.jpg

Existen una población menoría de ingleses y estadounidenses en Jalisco a partir de 1875. Se revisan los registros de Guadalajara encontrarán muchísimas familias como los Blume, O'Connor, Weber, Hagenback, Conrad, Green quienes se vincularon con la familia imperial Iturbide, Patrick y los Knight quienes se vincularon con los Marqueses de Pánuco.

Incluso, en la Sagrada Mitra se conservan numerosas dispensas matrimoniales para estos "ultramarinos," alemanes, brasileños, franceses, ingleses, italianos, etc.

Debemos acabar con los mitos y las leyendas y establecer la verdad con documentos comprobantes.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Muy interesante, nunca he escuchado o leído sobre asentamientos de grupos Ingleses en México, por otro lado si hay muchas personas de origen Ingles que habitaron el país, principalmente vía E.U.A. rara vez directamente de Inglaterra. Existen por otro lado los Menonitas, que ya hace bastante tiempo que viven en México, algunos de ascendencia Europea mas directa y reciente.

Como consejo y comentario, recomiendo no encerrarse en un punto el cual con el tiempo pudo haberse malinterpretado, Sería mas prudente buscar simplemente entre personas del mismo apellido Flores de la época en vez de buscar directamente asentamientos Ingleses, de ninguna manera digo que no lo hubo, si no que creo yo, basado en mi propia experiencia, que es mas fácil encontrar indicios cuando se empieza sin conjeturas previas. Una pista es la historia misma de la "colita", que si bien han existido varios casos, no creo que hay literatura a la fecha (favor de corregirme si me equivoco) que mencione todo un grupo con

Jose Torre
Hello Linda
I am a decendent of Buenaventura or Ventura De La Torre and Narcisa Romo married in 1862 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. They lived in the town of Santa Ana in the municipality of Jalostotitlan. This was his second marriage after he was widowed by the death of his first wife, Feleciana Alvarez or Albares.
In ascendancy
Cipriano Asencio born 1786 marriage to Maria Antonia Hermosillo ceremony held in jalostotitlan
Clemente De La Torre lived between 1743- 1812 married Rita Gonzalez lived between 1747- 1789 ceremony held in Jalostotitlan
Juan Asencio De La Torre married Maria Gertrudes Franco in Jalostotitlan

This is some of the information that I have. If you need more information please let me know.
Thank you,
Jose Alfredo De La Torre

Hola Linda, How are you ? (my ancestor) I have a Maria Rafaela de La Torre born 1747 Jalostotitlan to Leonardo de La Torre Ledesma and Ana Teresa Gutierrez de Mendoza .Leonardo de La Torre son of Clemente de La Torre Ledesma and Catalina Franco de La Cueva on dec 01,1715 Tepatitlan.
Ronnie Reynoso> From: romero89@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:31:37 -0500> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > >> Hola Jose Maria Vallejo,> > Mi nombre es Linda Romero. I know very little Spanish.> > Mi familia: Fernando de la Torre, b. 1830 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, > Jalisco, married Maria Gutierrez. The had children named Marcelina, > b. 1853; Margarita, b. 1855; and Jesus, b. 1859. They have other > children I do not know the names of. Marcelina married Jose Manuel > Romero in 1870 in Tepatitlan. Manuel Romero & Marcelina de la Torre > had children named Marcos, Serapio, Jose, Martiniana, Castulo, Luisa, > Maria

I have a few De La Torres (from the 1700s & 1800s) in my tree also. Most of them are no direct relationship to me except for two of them:

Cristobal De La Torre (b. abt. 1725) my 5th Great Grandfather M. Maria de Haro and their daughter Maria Bartola Cipriana De La Torre (b. abt. 1746 iin Muertos, Zacatecas, Mexico) -- my 4th Great Grandmother who married Jasinto Banuelos also of Muertos, Zacatecas, Mexico.

If anyone has any info on any of them please let me know!

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Dear Linda:
I keep a database of the De La Torre's I have come across in an attempt to link families. I have baptism of a Jose Serapio Romero son of Manuel and Marcelina and grandson of Fernando. I can look in my files and scan you a copy if I have kept one or at the least give you the microfilm number. I have not worked on that line for quite some time so if you find reference to an Antonio Gonzalez married to a Juliana De La Torre let me know. Thanks.

Maureen

Joseph,

I apologize for rarely contributing to the forum but I do use Facebook all
the time and do have a comment. There seems to be inconsistencies in how
Facebook chooses to implement their suspensions and warnings, so there may
be other factors they use. Both my friend and me have been suspended before
while others in our sorority were not for doing the exact same thing and
sending out the exact same number of messages with the same content. Some
of us were given warnings from Facebook saying that we were near our
messaging limit and others were not. Also, some were able to continue
messaging repeatedly after that, while, others were suspended and one was
banned from Facebook permanently. The person that was banned permanently
was actually the one that did the least amount of messaging in comparison.
But, her account was also the newest, so that may be one of the factors
too. In some cases it seemed like they took into consideration the number
of Facebook friends a person had and

I have a little genealogy page in facebook, I am not expert but I think this would allow you to have more tools in order to reach more people without looking like a spam, your page can be done under your own account but will work separately, this is not a personal page, like a regular person, but more like a website where you exchange information, promote, announce, etc. This also would help you to keep that project separated from your personal stuff, then when you send invitations, they would look as a "site" more than a "person". I don't know the limit of messages but is better if you start to build your audience from the bottom up, slow, this would give you more credibility. Hope it helps.

RJ Quiralte

Usually the natural sons where born of unmarried couples, but still couples non the less, is usual that the mother would present the child but in some instances (specially when the mother did not recover well or at all from birth giving) the father would be the one taking the child to baptize, many people were really afraid (religiously) of saying that they were couple when they have no official marriage thus the "unknown" father or mother.

Another reason is when the child born out of an affair, depending of how willingly the father was, it would be him the one present at the baptism, mostly when the father want him to carry his last name, although it is less common you may find this once in while. Many "natural" people latter state in their marriages the names of both their parents and even with the "unknown" last name.

RJ Quiralte

Those are the SNP markers in the test kit that are rarely found around the world based on a database used by the person that wrote the program. http://pngu.mgh.harvard.edu/~purcell/

I went to his tools site at http://pngu.mgh.harvard.edu/~purcell/details.html and then to the PLINK which is used in a lot of studies.

In the resources link he shows HapMap as a PLINK fileset.
http://pngu.mgh.harvard.edu/~purcell/plink/res.shtml

The International HapMap Project is a multi-country effort to identify and catalog genetic similarities and differences in human beings.
http://hapmap.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/thehapmap.html.en

Both HapMap and Human Genome Diversity Project are datasets or filesets or databases of invidividuals from around the world whose genomes were analyzed.

HGDP (Human Genome Diversity Project) was started by Stanford University. http://www.hagsc.org/hgdp/

Most biogeographical analysis calculators such as FTDNA, 23andme, AncestryDNA, Dienekes' Dodecad, Eurogenes, and

Edward Serros

You asked if Huizar and Navarette were from Valparaiso back in the 1700's. Unfortunately, there are no Valparaiso church records per se from that time period. I have found various people from Valparaiso who have baptism or marriage or death records in the churches of Mezquitic, Huejuquilla el Alto, and Monte Escobedo. I remember seeing the surname Navarette (aka Nabarette) in the Mezquitic church records of the 1700's. I get the impression that population sizes (indigena, mestizo, espanol) were quite small, as is documented in "Haciendas y comunidades indigenas en el sur de Zacatecas: Sociedad y economia colonial," 1600-1820 (Coleccion cientifica) (Spanish Editionn) by Agueda Jimenez Pelayo. Navarrete is one of the oldest "espanoles" families from the early 1700's, along with Martinez, Banuelos, Guzman, Olague, Talavera, Lobato, Madera, Robles, etc. They all intermarried.

You might try to find the people you are looking for in the Mesquitic records. It is not as

Jaime Trejo

Do you know which records were transcribed first, the parish records or the records sent to the diocese?

This would be wonderful, I^m sure each of us would benefit. Currently Im in Jalisco and was given the extraordinary opportunity by the Parish Priest to search the original files. Unfortunately they were exactly the ones that are online with Familysearch. However, on the top shelf there were several packages of documents whose exact contents were unknown, but too old and delicate to touch!!!
Deedra Corona

If this project goes (and I hope it does!) forward then maybe we could compile a list here at Nuestros Racnhos of towns that we have found to be most incomplete in their available records.

One in particular comes to mind from my research: Villa de Purificación, Jalisco (or simply, Purificación). It is one of the oldest towns in Jalisco and yet its records available on Familysearch are spotty and only go back to the 1770s. For example, baptismal records start in 1779, Marriages in 1832, and Death records in 1853.

If there are more records stretching back to the 16th or 17th centuries, that would be a true treasure.

Sergio Salés

Hi Again, were you able to trace any of your Delgado ancestors to Juan Jose Delgado after all. From my last post.

"I was doing research on my Delgado Line from Zacatecas when I came across your post. The names sounded familiar and looking back at my pdf copy of "Spain's Patriots of Northwestern New Spain" part 8 by Granville W. and N.C. Hough. I realized that Juan Delgado and Mathiana Contreras' son, Juan Jose Delgado is listed on page 48 of this pdf copy. The link is www.somosprimos.com/hough/nwus.pdf This is what it reads "Juan Jose Delgado. MPR:G, on 26 Nov 1775 widower of Josefa Leonarda Juarez and son of Juan Manuel Delgado of Sierra de Pinos and Matiana Contreras, married Ma- Margarita Sanchez, daughter of Juan Bautista Sanchez and Juana Ma. Diaz. They burried son in 1781." According to authors of the book, any direct descendant of Juan Jose Delgado or any other veteran from this list can apply for acceptance to Sons American Revolution or Daughters American Revolution. As

I was doing research on my Delgado Line from Zacatecas when I came across your post. The names sounded familiar and looking back at my pdf copy of "Spain's Patriots of Northwestern New Spain" part 8 by Granville W. and N.C. Hough. I realized that Juan Delgado and Mathiana Contreras' son, Juan Jose Delgado is listed on page 48 of this pdf copy. The link is www.somosprimos.com/hough/nwus.pdf This is what it reads "Juan Jose Delgado. MPR:G, on 26 Nov 1775 widower of Josefa Leonarda Juarez and son of Juan Manuel Delgado of Sierra de Pinos and Matiana Contreras, married Ma- Margarita Sanchez, daughter of Juan Bautista Sanchez and Juana Ma. Diaz. They burried son in 1781." According to authors of the book, any direct descendant of Juan Jose Delgado or any other veteran from this list can apply for acceptance to Sons American Revolution or Daughters American Revolution. As "mercadoh" posted on April 28, 2014, Spanish soldiers are being recognized for their contribution to the American

Hola Carolina,

It appears we descend from many of the same lines!

Here's a link to the information on the 3 Apr 1701 marriage between Bartholome Delgado and Francisca Josepha de Chevarria y Merquelen: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-20365-52?cc=1874591&wc…

According to this, at the time of the wedding, Bartholome was 30 and Francisca Josepha 17 (poco mas o menos), making their birth years 1671 and 1684, respectively. Bartholome Delgado was born on the Pendencia in Pinos, Zacatecas. In her declaration, Francisca Josepha says she had been in the country for 8 years (poco mas o menos…), making the year of arrival 1693. She gives her trajectory up to that point, and since she lived in the company of her parents, it can be assumed that this was their trajectory. Here's an excerpt:

"Dijo: que se llama Doña Francisca Josepha de Chavarria Mercadin, originaria de la Ciudad de Cadiz, en los Reinos de Castilla y vecina de este Real lo mas de quatro años

Dear Carolina,

My mother and I recently joined Nuestros Ranchos and we are researching our Delgado line in Pinos, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. You can look up our genealogy file under Ramirez, Patricia. Bartholome Delgado is my mother's 6th great grandfather. We are descended from his son, Juan Manuel Delgado who married Mathiana Contreras Rodriguez in 1728. Hopefully, some of our information will be of use to you.

With many regards,
Patricia Ramirez

>
> Alicia is correct. I was hired and researched the family in question. I
> took it back to Jose de la Lus Ramirez. They want someone to take the line
> back to Spain. I didn't want to make any promises about being able to trace
> that family to Spain since there are gaps in the Jerez records. I reached
> out to Linda and she confirmed it.

> The Producers asked for the name of a Researcher in Mexico and I suggested
> Salvador Cabral Valdes since he has done so much research in Jerez, but he
> did not respond to our e-mails.

> The civil records would not be of any help since the civil registry didn't
> exist in that time period.
>

Maria Cortez

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Research [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On
> > Behalf Of Alicia Carrillo
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:27 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Researcher Needs Help
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > Maria Cortez of Nuestros Ranchos and

how exciting for you each time you find that one record that takes you back another generation. We all get excited for you and ourselves when that happens!
Linda in Olympia, Wa

On Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:05 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

Found the matrimonio of the Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales in the year 1758, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales are the "maternal" ggg grandparents of my grandfather "Antonio Madera Madera" since my paternal great grandparents are Calixto Madera De La Paz and Maria Clemencia Madera. So that makes Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales my gggg grandparents through side of Maria Clemencia Madera.

Here is part of the copy of the matrimonio in 1758:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/28vaurp.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27987-55?cc=1874591&wc…

Lazaro Madera is the son of "Blas Madera and Theresa De Abila"

This is great