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Thanks!  Yes, I know where my name derives from, but it's just not the same because everyone calls me "Peggy Sue" "Peggy Lou", or "Peggy Ann"....
But, I didn't know that a Margarita was a daisy!  I love that flower...it looks so happy and friendly.

Thanks for the kind words!
Again, Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!
> 
> From: Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@...>
> Date: 2005/12/22 Thu PM 06:21:14 EST
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
> 
> Hi Peggy: 
>    
>   Actually, "Peggy" is a nickname, a diminuative, for Margaret and what could be prettier than Margarita?  You really are a Margarita at heart.  And Margaret, I believe, may come from the Greek for pearl.  And margaritas are also lovely daisies.   Merry Christmas!
>    
>   Mary
> 
> Peggy Delgado <peggydee@...> wrote:
>           Here is a list of names in MY family tree:
>    
>   Narciso
>   Zerefina (or Zeferina)
>   Leonisio
>   Tranquilino
>   Plutarco
>   Abundio
>   Blas
>   Deciderio
>   Germana
>   Romualda
>   Abato
>   Tirso
>   Dionicio
>   Casimiro
>   Sabina
>   Sinecio
>    
>   I think they're all awesome, strong names, although I don't understand some of them.  To me, they're all unique and very very cool.  I wish my mom had named me a typical Mexican name.....I've never liked my name and got teased a lot.  Peggy, my name, sounds caucasian (nothing against caucasians, but I would have like something more .....I don't know....ethnic.......)
>    
>   Merry Christmas everyone!
>     -----Original Message-----
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:52 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
> 
> 
>   You mentioned custom plates;
>    
>   My father's name was Nemesio, how common is that?  not very!  and my maternal granfather's name was Priciliano.  I am John Gonzalez, or if you prefer, Juan Gonzalez.  My custom license plate is:  1Gnzlz  (One Gonzalez) =sounds like Juan Gonzalez.  There are four Juan Gonzalez in my great grandfather's line, I am number five.  (Boring.  Lack of imagination? or just trying to perpetuate the name ?)  None of my kids are named John.
>    

I started my genealogy research after we named our
last child.  But recently I told my wife, if I had
known the names of my great---grandparents, uncles,
and aunts, I would have named our children after them.
 She saw my list, and told me "No, Way!"  In that
case, I would of just given their middle names, like
or not, since I usually gave her first choice of
picking the first names.

I still think our early ancestor's names were
beautiful.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California



--- elviraz <elviraz@...> wrote:

> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Emilie Garcia 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:27 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Odd names WAS
> 
> 
>   No, Alberto, our ancestor's names were not unusual
> in their time and place, but a name like Gorgonia
> [Garcia],
> 
>   ---------------------------I do not see why it
> would sound awful: It is from St. Gorgonia, one of
> the early Christian saints.   
> 
>    my father's mother, sounds so awful to us now,
> especially those of us raised here in the US. 
> 
>   --------------------------that's because they lack
>  the knowledge of  early Christian Greek saints.
> 
>    Refugio sounds ugly also, 
> 
>   -------------------------Since when has refuge
> from anything been ugly??
> 
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Alberto Duarte 
>     To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>     Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:50 PM
>     Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Odd names WAS
> 
> 
>     Hey, there is nothing wrong with our old Spanish
>     names.  My great-----grandaunt's name was Maria
>     Guadalupe Leogarda De La Cruz Pena Morales,
> 1797,
>     Valle De Allende, Chihuahua,Mexico. 
> 
>     They were long but beautiful.
> 
>     Alberto Duarte Prieto
>     Santa Maria, California
> 
>     --- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
> wrote:
> 
>     > Marge and Emilie,
>     >    
>     >   Alicia must be a very new name because in
> all my
>     > research I have not once found this name
> either in
>     > my ancestors or any other records. I guess we
> are
>     > modern women hence the new variant of a name.
> I
>     > guess that's also why I am not saintly, no
>     > precedents in my namesake.
>     >    

People seldom went by their given name, Concepcion became Chon.. 
Refugio became Cuko or Cuka, Maria de la Lus became Lucha.. my 
grandfather was Epitacio, they called him Pancho. My father is Aniceto 
but they call him Chet... Somehow when they added Don or Dona before 
the name it became even more special whatever it was... instant 
respect!
Linda

In a word--WOW!!!  Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:00 PM, David P. Delgado wrote:

you said: I hope I sort of answered your question

David. . .fabulous answer and I'm so glad I asked.

thanks for taking the time to share with us things we need to hear more
about and absorb. In fact why not consider adding a little here and
there and tossing in a few references and producing a podcast on this
subject. It is something that many many people need to hear and I'd be
very happy to archive your message in both Audio and written form on the
NFU podcast. What do you think?

And while we're at it what do you have to say about the addition or
subtraction of the "s" on names for example my name: Puentes. In the
older records I only see "Puente" but in the newer records it starts
showing up and persisting as "Puentes." Some folks now a days get this
big "tude" about "We are NOT Puente, we are PUENTES!" As for me I know
I'm a Puente but somewhere down the line the name got modified. . .and i
used to think it changed in the US but no, I see the change happening
in Mexico.

gracias David. . .and please make 2006 the year that you abolish that
phrase: "It's been a long time since I tried to make use of my
specialty- Spanish."

Yusuf (this is cool!)
Rougemont, NC

ps: I"ve seen what I thought was an abbreviation: Je and thought it
meant Juan, but are you saying that its a form of Yusuf? or Can it be both?

No, not yet. Now that my wife is finally recovering
from her serious illness, I plan to continue my family
genealogy research, starting this coming January 2006.
 

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California


  

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> I think you and I are related way back, but if not,
> we have relatives 
> who are related to yours and mine.  Have you found
> any connections to 
> the Denas, Saldivars, Olagues, de la Torres,
> Morrillos, Chaves, Ortiz, 
> Banuelos, Onates, etc., One of my emails to you had
> a family connection 
> of sorts to you and you said you'd look it up. 
> Holidays are no excuse 
> to this prairie chick.:)  Marge:)
> On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > Marg, does that mean our DNA should be very
> close? 
> >
> >  Just kidding.
> >
> >  Alberto Duarte Prieto
> >  Santa Maria, California
> >
> >  --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >  > Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was
> Ma.
> >  > Eleuteria Tov/bar
> >  > from Jerez.  Her brothers and sisters were
> born in
> >  > both Tepetongo and
> >  > Tla--don't remember how to spell this town. 
> Her
> >  > parents were Mauricio
> >  > Tovar and Ma. Petra Escobedo.  My
> great-grandfather
> >  > had about 4 kids
> >  > with her before she died and he married my
> >  > great-grandmother, who was
> >  > the age of his eldest daughter or a little
> older.
> >  >
> >  > And yes, Davila is the same as de Avila.  I
> read
> >  > something about it
> >  > this past week but don't ask me where, 'cos I
> dunno.
> >  >  The surname
> >  > Correa is Portuguese, I believe.  Marge:)
> >  > On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Erlinda
> Castanon-Long
> >  > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > I found in the records from Tamazula Jalisco
> back
> >  > in the late 1600's
> >  > >  the scribe spelled Juan as Joan on many
> records..
> >  > that's a Portuguese
> >  > >  spelling. In Jerez I noticed my Tovar
> ancestor is
> >  > spelled Thobar,

David, thank you for sharing your knowledge with the group.  That's 
one of the things I love about this group, we can share records, 
opinions, personal family history, Mexican history, world history and  
learn from what members share.  My world expands because of people 
like you...
thank you again, Linda in Everett

Jose,

It's been a long time since I tried to make use of my specialty- Spanish.  I'd like to try to present my understanding of the use of language by Spanish speakers.  As I recall, the language was first formed by the semitic linguists in the eighth century.  Before 711 A.D. there was a tremendous diversity in terms of languages spoken in the Iberian peninsula.  If you were to read the poems which are considered the earliest forms of Spanish you would barely recognize the language.  After 1492 the newly-formed "Spanish" people retained a very negative, resentful and vengeful attitude toward anything or anyone of semitic origins.  The government (monarchy) began a process of "ethnic cleansing" which extended into "purifying" the language.  Up until the early years of the 16th century no one even attempted to make rules for spelling.  The decision to make rules came from a small number of self-appointed experts not from the people who used the language.

The early visitors to the western hemisphere spoke a Spanish which was almost 100% phonetic.  The language was capable of duplicating virtually every sound produced in other languages.  One of the most obvious signs is the so-called "x" in 16th century Spanish.  The sound originally came from a semitic language- (example: xoarex, xuares became "juarez" due to the linguists' felt need to purify the language).  Add to this scenario the fact that the western half of the iberian peninsula already had a very complete, beautiful language, gallego-portugues, the northeasterners had catalan, the far north had basque and there were other smaller groups with other languages (like the gitanos).  In addition iberians possess the incredibly intense characteristic of rugged individualism which resists any mandate to change. 

I have attached a marriage document where Miguel Gonzales marries Maria
de Jesus de la Torre Sanchez and when she dies he marries (his first
cousin) Maria de Jesus de la Torre Correa. If the priest had not
mentioned the "cadaver ...", how would one ever discover that he didn't
marry the same person twice. No maternal names are mentioned.

George
Atascadero

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Another common coincidence is when a man or woman lost a spouse they
would re-marry and the second spouse would have the same given name as
the first spouse.

When my parents divorced my dad married an Esperanza and my mom's name
is Esperanza, when my Padrino in Ensenada lost his first wife Berta,
he married again to another Berta and I have found several cases in my
research of widows or widowers who re-married and married someone with
the same given name as their first spouse.

Could this be coincidence?

Alicia Carrillo

I think you and I are related way back, but if not, we have relatives who are related to yours and mine. Have you found any connections to the Denas, Saldivars, Olagues, de la Torres, Morrillos, Chaves, Ortiz, Banuelos, Onates, etc., One of my emails to you had a family connection of sorts to you and you said you'd look it up. Holidays are no excuse to this prairie chick.:) Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Joseph, that's why we are genealogists.  We want to
know.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> yeah I know, but still the diiiiistant possibility
> exists. small as it 
> maybe. And do I really believe that I'm a Levite,
> pues no, what do you 
> think I'm a tarugo? but still the tarugo in me
> wonders about stuff like 
> this and I just know that there are a lot of various
> ethnic groups from 
> a lot of different countries that all worked
> together to make "me." And 
> though I "might" not be a Levite "I am this or that
> or the other". . 
> .and all of them in their time very very very
> interesting and I'm sure a 
> suffering people if our understanding is correct of
> what times past were 
> like.
> 
> so let me just keep on wondering, sometimes I like
> to let my Tarugo get 
> the best of me. . .
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: hey sometimes you got to toss out a pendejada.
> 
> pps: Victor when are you coming to NC? let me know
> and I'll cook you a 
> big pot of Menudo. We'll toss back a few cerbezas
> and celebrate the next 
> day with some Menudo to cure the crudo, just like it
> was the New Year.
> 
> A ti, Victor y su familia Feliz Navidad.
> 
> 
> v.h.villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Joseph,
> >
> >A 3 step mutation near match with someone from a
> different
> >geographical region and with a different surname is
> quite a loooong
> >distance.  As we say in Spanish:  "Una golondrina
> no hace verano."
> >
> >This is most likely a case of haplotype convergence
> and not indicative
> >of a real genetic affinity.
> >
> >Victor
> >
> >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
> <makas@n...> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>no, I meant Ashkenazi. . .my spelling is not so
> good. I am not sure but 
> >>some of my y-DNA indications are Ashkenazi, the
> priests of the tribe of 
> >>Levi, a Levite. I don't know how much evidence
> there is for this but
> >>    
> >>
> >its 
> >  
> >
> >>interesting to wonder about:
> >>
> >>Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data
> 	
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>	
> >>	
> >>
> >>

Marg, does that mean our DNA should be very close?  

Just kidding.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was Ma.
> Eleuteria Tov/bar 
> from Jerez.  Her brothers and sisters were born in
> both Tepetongo and 
> Tla--don't remember how to spell this town.  Her
> parents were Mauricio 
> Tovar and Ma. Petra Escobedo.  My great-grandfather
> had about 4 kids 
> with her before she died and he married my
> great-grandmother, who was 
> the age of his eldest daughter or a little older.
> 
> And yes, Davila is the same as de Avila.  I read
> something about it 
> this past week but don't ask me where, 'cos I dunno.
>  The surname 
> Correa is Portuguese, I believe.  Marge:)
> On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long
> wrote:
> 
> > I found in the records from Tamazula Jalisco back
> in the late 1600's
> >  the scribe spelled Juan as Joan on many records..
> that's a Portuguese
> >  spelling. In Jerez I noticed my Tovar ancestor is
> spelled Thobar,
> >  Thovar, Tobar and Tovar... all the same family. I
> would think that's a
> >  Spanish pronunciation and spelling. Since our
> ancestors never saw the
> >  records and sometimes were not even the person
> giving the information
> >  it's amazing that so many are traceable and
> correct! In Jerez I find
> >  the surname Correa, in Tamazula it's Coria, I'm
> wondering if it's the
> >  same family name? Is Davila the same as De Avila?
> The ancestors must
> >  get a chuckle from our searches and questions.
> >  Linda in Everett
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Well, those Olagues are sure to be related to us! Cool! Merry Christmas. Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

<x-tad-smaller>Hi, Marge,</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>No, the Salitrillo they were from is in the jurisdiction of Tepetongo, near Jerez.  My nephew is a cook in the Picasso restaurant in the Bellagio Hotel in Vegas and he says two guys cooking there also are from Jerez and that they know some Olagues and also know where that Salitrillo is nearby.</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Emilie Garcia</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Port Orchard, WA ---</x-tad-smaller>

Glo,

Did your Sandovals come from Zacatecas? My great-grandfather's first wife's maternal grandfather was a Sandoval from either Jerez, Tepetongo, or Tlaltenongo (sp?). Just wondering. Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 8:04 AM, glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:

There seems to be a lot Jerezanos in Las Vegas.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Hi, Marge,
> 
> No, the Salitrillo they were from is in the
> jurisdiction of Tepetongo, near Jerez.  My nephew is
> a cook in the Picasso restaurant in the Bellagio
> Hotel in Vegas and he says two guys cooking there
> also are from Jerez and that they know some Olagues
> and also know where that Salitrillo is nearby.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Margarita
> Vallazza<mailto:TeaCozyGran@...> 
>   To:
>
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> 
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:26 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Saltrillo
> 
> 
> 
>   Dear Emilie,
>   Maybe this question was already answered but I was
> looking at a map in 
>   some book and found that there's a Saltrillo
> Jalisco just barely south 
>   of the State of Zacatecas.  Could your ancestor
> have been from there?  
>   Marge:)
> 
> 
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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros" <ed@s...> wrote:
>
> 
> Joseph,
> 
> Given the multi-cultural basis (Spanish, African, and
Native-American Indian) of the 
> Mexican people and the super multi-cultural basis (Cro-Magnon,
Phoenician, Greek, 
> Celtic, Basque, Roman, Visigoth, Jewish, North African Berber, Arab,
etc.) of the Iberian 
> peninsula people, you can probably call yourself anything you wish
and probably be 
> correct.
> 
> Furthermore, you can see that the "sangre limpia" of the "Spaniards"
was cr-p.
> 
> Scientifically and with respect to your Y-DNA, however, I agree with
Victor. Your Y-DNA is 
> Celtic, for lack of a better definition. Stay tuned. The Y-DNA
definitions and associations 
> will undoubtedly change, just like the borders of every country that
has ever existed.
> 
> Shalom (aka, "peace", goodbye), 
> 
> 
> Ed
>

A very insightful observation, Ed.

Season's Greetings!

Victor

Peggy,

I have two daughters, one is named: Angelita Maria and the other is Tiffany
Coreena, my Angel says her name is to ethnic and just goes by Angel and my
Tiffany says her name is to caucasian...go figure huh!

Then my sons are Daniel Sam and Bernardo Sandoval, they neither one care
about their names! smile

              ~~glo~~







From: "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:24:39 -0800

Here is a list of names in MY family tree:

Narciso
Zerefina (or Zeferina)
Leonisio
Tranquilino
Plutarco
Abundio
Blas
Deciderio
Germana
Romualda
Abato
Tirso
Dionicio
Casimiro
Sabina
Sinecio

I think they're all awesome, strong names, although I don't understand some
of them.  To me, they're all unique and very very cool.  I wish my mom had
named me a typical Mexican name.....I've never liked my name and got teased
a lot.  Peggy, my name, sounds caucasian (nothing against caucasians, but I
would have like something more .....I don't know....ethnic.......)

Merry Christmas everyone!
  -----Original Message-----

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