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I know my last name is Fuentes, but so many people always put a Z on the end
instead of the S.

              ~~glo~~







From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Names 's' and 'z'/HOHOHO
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:15:42 -0800

Hi Joseph:

Re: González.

The very first González in my line was, Alonso González de Hermosillo, who
was born about 1467 in Heromosilla, Burgos, Spain. The González spelling
was kept all the way down to the 9th generation, where it shows up spelled:
"Gonzáles" At the same time the "de Hermosillo" part was dropped. The
"González" spelling shows up again in the next (10th) generation and it
remained that way in the family to the present day.

I remember reading that in Spain, the names were spelled with the "ez",
and in Portugal with the "es". I believe that most errors were made by the
person writing the church records and interpreting the names.

1gnzlz@...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joseph Puentes
  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:58 PM
  Subject: [ranchos] Names 's' and 'z'/HOHOHO

This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask but kind of forget
every time I get to the key board. I guess its time (been time) for me to
start writing myself notes so i'll remember later [here's a
confession---I've been writing myself notes but half the time I forget to
look at the notes].

anyway what is the take on Gonzalez and Gonsalez and Gonzales and
Gonsales?

Since I've started studying genealogy I've always been told not to get
hung up on spelling, but that seemed to be coming from the Anglo point of
view. I tend to believe that we as well shouldn't get hung up on spelling
from the Mexican point of view. Do you all agree?

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/promos/NFU_Promo.mp3

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@y...> wrote:
>
> Joseph,
> 
> A 3 step mutation near match with someone from a different
> geographical region and with a different surname is quite a loooong
> distance.  As we say in Spanish:  "Una golondrina no hace verano."
> 
> This is most likely a case of haplotype convergence and not indicative
> of a real genetic affinity.

Joseph,

Given the multi-cultural basis (Spanish, African, and Native-American Indian) of the 
Mexican people and the super multi-cultural basis (Cro-Magnon, Phoenician, Greek, 
Celtic, Basque, Roman, Visigoth, Jewish, North African Berber, Arab, etc.) of the Iberian 
peninsula people, you can probably call yourself anything you wish and probably be 
correct.

Furthermore, you can see that the "sangre limpia" of the "Spaniards" was cr-p.

Scientifically and with respect to your Y-DNA, however, I agree with Victor. Your Y-DNA is 
Celtic, for lack of a better definition. Stay tuned. The Y-DNA definitions and associations 
will undoubtedly change, just like the borders of every country that has ever existed.

Shalom (aka, "peace", goodbye), 


Ed

--- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> You mentioned custom plates;
>
> My father's name was Nemesio, how common is that? not very! and my maternal granfather's name was Priciliano. I am John Gonzalez, or if you prefer, Juan Gonzalez. My custom license plate is: 1Gnzlz (One Gonzalez) =sounds like Juan Gonzalez. There are four Juan Gonzalez in my great grandfather's line, I am number five. (Boring. Lack of imagination? or just trying to perpetuate the name ?) None of my kids are named John.
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA
>

That is Juan Too Many!

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> You mentioned custom plates;
>
> My father's name was Nemesio, how common is that? not very! and my maternal granfather's name was Priciliano. I am John Gonzalez, or if you prefer, Juan Gonzalez. My custom license plate is: 1Gnzlz (One Gonzalez) =sounds like Juan Gonzalez. There are four Juan Gonzalez in my great grandfather's line, I am number five. (Boring. Lack of imagination? or just trying to perpetuate the name ?) None of my kids are named John.
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA
>

That is Juan Too Many!

I agree, John.  That's a beautiful name.  I might be biased, though, for my great grandfather's name was Aurelio.

Have you noticed that Aurelio is one of the few names that contains all of the vowels?  (a,e,i,o,u).  Another such name is Eulalio.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> I have a sister named Aurelia! and also had an Aunt Aurelia. I believe it it is a Latin word that means "Golden" Aureliano should be proud to have a "Golden" name.
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
> 1gnzlz@v...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lareina2@i...
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
>
>
> How about my dad's name? Aureliano. Almost no one knows how to pronounce it, much less spell it. He was named after my grandpa.
>
> Rosalinda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glo Sandoval-Fuentes
> Sent: Dec 21, 2005 7:06 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
>
> Or even my dads name is Augapito.
>
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> ~~glo~~
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> From: Margarita Vallazza TeaCozyGran@k...
> Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:57:34 -0600
>
> Aren't you glad to not be named Reducindo or Reducinda? One of my
> ancestors is named Narciso, another Prudencio, another Petronilo, and
> another Zenobio...what names!!!! Marge
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Joseph,

Right,  most of us have the tarugo gene I think.  The trick is not to let it get the best part of us all the time.  ;-)   Or what's worst let others "vernos la cara de pendejos."

Thanks a lot for the invitation to visit you in NC.  I really wish I could enjoy a good pachanga in  your company and other members of the group with a few fine cervezas,  menudo, pozole and the whole enchilada but that won't be possible this time.    Anyway, if you keep your invitation open and the damned border wall is not built too soon I'll keep dreaming of that day.  LOL

Just kidding.  And like another Spanish saying goes:  "Soñar no cuesta nada". 

Un abrazo muy fuerte

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
>
> yeah I know, but still the diiiiistant possibility exists. small as it
> maybe. And do I really believe that I'm a Levite, pues no, what do you
> think I'm a tarugo? but still the tarugo in me wonders about stuff like
> this and I just know that there are a lot of various ethnic groups from
> a lot of different countries that all worked together to make "me." And
> though I "might" not be a Levite "I am this or that or the other". .
> .and all of them in their time very very very interesting and I'm sure a
> suffering people if our understanding is correct of what times past were
> like.
>
> so let me just keep on wondering, sometimes I like to let my Tarugo get
> the best of me. . .
>
> joseph
>
> ps: hey sometimes you got to toss out a pendejada.
>
> pps: Victor when are you coming to NC? let me know and I'll cook you a
> big pot of Menudo. We'll toss back a few cerbezas and celebrate the next
> day with some Menudo to cure the crudo, just like it was the New Year.
>
> A ti, Victor y su familia Feliz Navidad.
>
>

Erlinda, my great-grandfather's first wife was Ma. Eleuteria Tov/bar from Jerez. Her brothers and sisters were born in both Tepetongo and Tla--don't remember how to spell this town. Her parents were Mauricio Tovar and Ma. Petra Escobedo. My great-grandfather had about 4 kids with her before she died and he married my great-grandmother, who was the age of his eldest daughter or a little older.



And yes, Davila is the same as de Avila. I read something about it this past week but don't ask me where, 'cos I dunno. The surname Correa is Portuguese, I believe. Marge:)

On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

I found in the records from Tamazula Jalisco back in the late 1600's

the scribe spelled Juan as Joan on many records.. that's a Portuguese

spelling. In Jerez I noticed my Tovar ancestor is spelled Thobar,

Thovar, Tobar and Tovar... all the same family. I would think that's a

Spanish pronunciation and spelling. Since our ancestors never saw the

records and sometimes were not even the person giving the information

it's amazing that so many are traceable and correct! In Jerez I find

the surname Correa, in Tamazula it's Coria, I'm wondering if it's the

same family name? Is Davila the same as De Avila? The ancestors must

get a chuckle from our searches and questions.

Linda in Everett











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There's no difference between the S and Z or X. Remember Xerex or
Xeres, Jerez and so on. People didn't know how to spell then and today
they still don't. We all make miztakex sumtimz. Marge:)

Linda,

This has to do with the popular belief that the advent of migratory
swallows mark the end of winter but that it is not enough to see just
a single astray swallow to think that the summer has arrived.

The translation is: "one swallow maketh not a summer"

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
>
> What does this mean? Una golondrina no hace verano." I've never heard 
> it before...
> Linda
>

What does this mean? Una golondrina no hace verano." I've never heard 
it before...
Linda

Joseph,

A 3 step mutation near match with someone from a different
geographical region and with a different surname is quite a loooong
distance.  As we say in Spanish:  "Una golondrina no hace verano."

This is most likely a case of haplotype convergence and not indicative
of a real genetic affinity.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> no, I meant Ashkenazi. . .my spelling is not so good. I am not sure but 
> some of my y-DNA indications are Ashkenazi, the priests of the tribe of 
> Levi, a Levite. I don't know how much evidence there is for this but
its 
> interesting to wonder about:
> 
> Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data 	
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> 
> 
> 	Cimet, Adina, 1951-
> Ashkenazi Jews in Mexico : ideologies in the structuring of a
> community / Adina Cimet.
> p. cm. -- (SUNY series in anthropology and Judaic studies)
> Includes bibliographical references and index.
> ISBN 0-7914-3179-7 (hardcover : acid-free). -- ISBN 0-7914-3180-0
> (pbk. : acid-free)
> 1. Jews--Mexico--Politics and government. 2. Mexico--Ethnic
> relations. I. Title. II. Series.
> F1392.J4C56 1997
> 323.1'1924072--dc20                                                
       95-5161
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> 3 step Mutations
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> R1b