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Jose Clemente ramirez and Ermenegilda Ramirez

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Hola Every One , I am stuck , I am looking for the connection of Jose Clemente Ramirez(baptized 10 dec 1784 San Juan de Los lagos) son of Joaquin Ramirez and Carmela Garcia .

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Published by chilerey54 – Fri, 2016-05-27 11:45 | Permalink

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Hola Danny and Members , I guess I was confusing ,sorry I will try again , I hope I am clearer. I am tying to connect
Jose Clemente Ramirez and Ermenegilda Ramirez who were married Feb 09 , 1809 San Juan de Los Lagos-(Matrimonos-San Juan de Lagos-1795-1823 Image # 265.
In the Acta it states that the couple had Parientesco de Tercer grado.
I was trying to figure out how. went to the Las Dispensas and nothing.
I hope this works , I became confused myself.
Other info is below.
Thanks
Ronnie

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Hola Every One , I am stuck , I am looking for the connection of Jose Clemente Ramirez(baptized 10 dec 1784 San Juan de Los lagos) son of Joaquin Ramirez and Carmela Garcia . Jose Clemente Ramirez married Ermenegilda Ramirez ( daughter of Joseph Eugenio Ramirez (born 05

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Ronnie

I assume you are looking for the dispensation for Jose Clemente and Ermenegilda. I would expect this to have been done in early 1809. There are four films in the Diocese of Guadalajara for 1809 dispensations, but unfortunately they have not yet been indexed. I checked Claudia's dispensa website.

What you are looking for may be there!

George Fulton

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Hola Members ,wanted to say thank you to Austin Perez . I found the Dispensa ,the bad thing I cant figure out who the main tronco is. It states that (1) Jose Ramirez is the father of (2)Christobal Ramirez and Jose Ramirez.

Christobal bore --(3Joaquin Ramirez(married to Carmela Garcia )

whom bore Jose Clemente Ramirez(Pretenso)

Jose Ramirez(married to Ramona Justa Limon) whom bore Jose Eugenio Ramirez (married to Rosalia Prudencia Ornelas)

who bore Ermenegilda RamirezI (Pretensa)

I am trying to figure out who the Tronco---Jose Ramirez is all about .

I have a Antonio Ramirez and Josefa Vasquez but I don't know if Antonio is Jose (Antonio) and if he is then its him

I obtained these names from the Marriage of Jose Ramirez and Rosalia Prudencia Ornelas-Matrimonios-San Juan de Los Lagos-1722-1770 Image # 222

Thank you

Ronnie

Maria de las Ruelas y Sotomayor

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

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Published by iChristopher – Sun, 2016-03-06 01:16 | Permalink

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Hi Danny,

Thanks for reposting the link to Mary Lou's dropbox, I couldn't find it the other day. I don't have the answer to your question, although, I do descend from Isabel Marín.

My question is about the daughter Antonia de las Ruelas, wife of Alonso de Laredo, that received the dowry of 4000 pesos. I'm curious if anyone is aware of her children. Because, I have a couple that I've hit a brick wall on, Captain Juan Laredo de Sotomayor and Juana de Laris y Otalora and looking at the name Laredo de Sotomayor, it would make sense that his parents might be Alonso de Laredo and Antonia de las Ruelas, knowing that the Ruelas family also use Sotomayor. If anyone is aware of the children of Alonso de Laredo and Antonia de las Ruelas, please let me know.

Chris

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Chris,

That sounds right. I looked at the Wikitree for Juan Lerado de Sotomayor and guess he was probly born aroun 1640 or earlier. it would make sense that his parents might be Alonso Lerado and Antonia de la Ruelas.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hello, Danny.

I don't know why Isabel used Marin. Early in my research on Andres Martin and Maria de las Ruelas/Sotomayor I would occasionally come across Andres with the surname Marin. And some of the kids, too, like Isabel. I even started some FGSs with Marin. But as the family expanded, Martin was the dominant surname. Later I would sometimes come across Marin and even Martinez, but I stayed with Martin and blamed the scribe!

Mary Lou

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Finally found the FGS on Alonso de Laredo and Antonia de las Roelas y Sotomayor. Added it to Dropbox. Front and back.

When their son Juan was baptized the entry refers to Alonso as Juan. That's the only place I've seen him referred to as Juan. There were several "Juan/Juana" in that entry and the scribe may have been careless. Maybe.

Also note that Philipa's mother is listed as Antonia Marin. Another instance of Marin/Martin.

Very glad that the Dropbox is being used and is of help. I haven't done original research for about 10 years. But I have much in my files that I want to share. I'm working on a project right now that will take a few weeks: my extractions of early unfilmed records of Pinos. Starting with baptisms. A treasure. I don't think anyone else has done these. Stop me if they have.

Mary Lou

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Hi Mary Lou,

Yes, the Dropbox is amazing. And, thank you for adding the latest FGS. It's been extremely helpful in my research. Plus, it brings up a lot of interesting questions. I hadn't thought of the Marin/Martin question before, but, now that I've seen 3 records that use Marin, I'm beginning to wonder about Danny's question, because now it no longer seems like a mistake of the scribe. I wonder the origins. Thanks again Mary Lou. And, I await the latest add to the Dropbox.

Chris

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Hi Chris,

I came upon this in the SLP misc: 18 Jul 1647, Antonia Marin declares that Alonso Laredo has abandoned her and their children, who have been staying at the home of her cuñado, Lucas de Santa Cruz, in SLP (who can barely sustain himself). I’ve only scanned through it, but it looks like she’s trying to free up some of her dowry, or something. They mention that they have a son and a daughter, but don’t name them (img86):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958F-PZ5?i=83&wc=MXBY-RZW

And here’s the follow-up from 14 Sep 1647. One of the testigos was Joseph Martin, who might be her brother, but I don’t see his “Jusepe Martin” signature:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58F-R5W?i=58&wc=MXBY-RNR

Heavy stuff. This generation was plagued with drama. It’s like one of my mother’s telenovelas!

I’ve found some other documents, regarding the children of Andres Martin and Maria de Ruelas, which I’ll post in this thread.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Manny,

This family is ancestors of mine,but I cant read this document, do you know who Antonia Marin is writing to about her husband abandoning her? And, what happened, was it ever resolved?

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

She would’ve made the declaration to the local judicial authorities. Alonso Laredo was living in Sierra de Pinos at the time, and they sent someone to find him, from what I can tell. Otherwise, I don’t know how it was resolved.

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Sat, 2016-05-21 09:05 | Permalink

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Hola primas y primos,

Here are entries for Maria de las Ruelas, and her spinster daughter, Josepha de las Ruelas, in the 1668, 1681, 1684 padrones for SLP.

1668 SLP Padron (begins img1139). Maria Ruela can be found in left image, column 4, with daughters Josepha and Teresa, and grandchildren:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5YS1-D?i=1142&wc=3NTX-VZ9

1681 SLP Padron (begins img974). Maria de las Ruelas having already passed away, Josepha de las Ruelas (left image) apparently took over as matriarch and guardian of her nephews and nieces. Antonia de las Ruelas and her children are in the right image:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DSSC-KN?i=980&wc=3JMN-YWL

1684 SLP Padron (begins img336). Josepha de las Ruelas and her nieces, right image column 2:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DX9V-YF?i=340&wc=3JMN-GP8

If you have lines in SLP during these years, you should be able to locate them.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Almost sounds like the name of a telenovela!

Hola primas y primos,

These are some of the documents that Mary Lou discovered, regarding Maria de las Ruelas, laying the groundwork for her children’s attempt to have her declared unfit to manage her own affairs. Thank you again, Mary Lou, for sharing, and for pointing us in the right direction!

23 Apr 1673: Maria de las Ruelas gives her declaration as sole heiress of her deceased grandson, Antonio Diaz de la Guerta, a merchant in Teocaltiche, married to Geronimo de Alarcon y Rubalcava. She gives an inventory of his assets, which included over 400 head of cattle. In these documents, the surname “Barriga” is used, instead of “Camacho.” This might be, because these proceedings took place in SLP, where there were several unrelated families named “Camacho,”and maybe they wanted to avoid confusion. That’s just a guess: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958F-92D5?i=367&wc=MXBY-RTB

21 Jun 1674: Pedro Martin Barriga, Nicolas Martin

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Dear Manny,

I really enjoy reading your posts. You have provided much information. Since most of my work lately has focused on the other side of the Atlantic I must rely on these posts to keep up to date on research in the Americas.

I too have found the Marin and the Martin surnames at times used interchangeably. For my ancestor Ma. Jpha Potenciana Marin "Arenas" de la Peña Losa it just turned out to be scribes mistakes. But for another line there was a marriage between a Marin descendant and a Martin Descendant so it went back and forth until Martin was the surname that stuck.

I am very curious about the Barriga name being used instead of Camacho. We already know that there is a connection between the Camacho surname and Fernandez de Córdoba surname. Can this Barriga name be another clue to finding the Camacho ancestry? What else do you know about the Barriga name and where else it was used?

Thanks again for all your help,
Rick A. Ricci

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Hi Danny,

You’re welcome, and thank you for starting this thread: it’s a good place to share and store information & sources relative to our common ancestor, Maria de las Ruelas y Sotomayor, and to her descendants.

Hi Rick,

You’re welcome, and thank you, for your work in Europe, since I descend from some of the same lines, and am only focussing on Mexico, for the time being. My aim is to take as many of my lines back to the peninsula, as possible, and then work from there. I’m sure I’ll be sourcing a lot of your work, when I get there! By the way, I’m unfamiliar with the Camacho link to the Fernandez de Cordoba, which excites me to no end!

“Marin” might be a corruption of “Martin,” and, has anyone else noticed that only the daughters of Andres Martin and Maria de Ruelas (and their descendants) use it? Maybe it morphed, because the women couldn’t sign their names, and it stuck. Or, it could be another surname altogether, and another clue. Another one of those cultural enigmas that

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Hi Manny,

This is great. It really is like a Telanovela. Thanks for this. And, for providing the links to the Padrones, it will really come in handy. Regarding the Marin surname, I tend to think it's a whole other surname altogether, since it appears to many times. On the IM of Maria de las Ruelas's grandson, Antonio Diaz de Huerta, who by the way was the indirect cause of a lot of the drama, he refers to his mother as Ysabel Marin. While his brother Sebastian refers to his mother as Ysabel Marin de Larrueles, which I'm guessing is an incorrect spelling for las Ruelas. But, I really am curious where the Marin comes from. And, the Barriga.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B71L-4
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B79M-7L

Chris

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Antonio Marin Alba married Teresa Gertrudis De Anda Martin

Nicolas Martin married Isabel Valdivia Marin

These two married couples contributed to the surname sometimes being Marin and sometimes Martin.

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Mr. Ricci,

im not familiar with these couples. could you tell me their descendants up to Andres Martin Camacho/Barriga

Danny C. Alonso

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Dear Danny,

I have added more information for you.

Antonio Marin Alba (son of Manuel Marin and Theresa De Alva Valdivia) married Teresa Gertrudis De Anda Martin (daughter of Joaquin de Anda Camacho Riquelme and Maria Magdalena Martin del Campo y Flores De La Torre

Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor ( son of Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor and Simona Lopez de la Cerda ). married Isabel Valdivia Marin

These two married couples contributed to the surname sometimes being Marin and sometimes Martin.

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Hello, Chris.

I have looked everywhere for my FGS on Alonso and Antonia and finally gave up. From other sources I have the names of three children:

16 May 1636 Luis (padrino Francisco Sanchez)
24 Aug 1639 Margarita (padrinos Felipe Gomes y Maria de Arrona)
Juan Laredo de Sotomayor cc Juana de Lares

I assume these children were born in San Luis Potosi. I just don't have my FGS to back that up.

I have a FGS on Juan Laredo and Juana de Lares (dtr of Domingo de Lares and Nicolasa de Santoyo y de Mendosa) and have two of their children identified:

Isabel Laredo de Sotomayor b.1685 in SLP but raised in Aguascalientes. She gave marriage information on 28 Sep 1700 in AGS to marry Juan Butron Moxica from AGS viudo de doña Isabel de Araiza. He was 34; Isabel was 15.

Rodrigo Laredo b. 21 May 1681 SLP Real San Francisco de los Pozos. His mother was also know as Juana de Laris y Otalora.

If I ever find the FGS on Alonso and Antonia I will let you know. I also have a note that Alonso was

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Hello again, Chris.

I have something to add re Isabel Laredo de Sotomayor who married Juan Buitron Moxica. This is from an extraction of a document in the Aguascalientes archives. I was writing rapidly so it is in English and Spanish, whichever was easier.

AGS Caja 7/3.
6 May 1716
Yo Isabel Laredo de Sotomayor mujer legitima de Don Juan de Moxica. Vecina de AGS. Her husband "ausente mucho tiempo y separado de mi sin hacer vida maridable y porque me hallo con un hijo suyo y mio nombrado Don Juan de Moxica"...who is 14 years old. He is to be a carpenter apprentice with Maestro Nicolas Flores for 4 years.

Mary Lou

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

In the beginning of this thread it talks about Isabel Marin de Sotomayor and her husband Don Juan de Moxica and it says this about him: "ausente mucho tiempo y separado de mi sin hacer vida maridable y porque me hallo con un hijo suyo y mio nombrado Don Juan de Moxica"... Does anyone know what this means?

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

It says, “…he’s absent much of the time, and separated from me, we’re not leading a married life, and because I’m left with his child, named Don Juan de Moxica….”

It means he’s abandoned her and the child. Sorry, looks like he was a deadbeat dad.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Manny,

Wow, that's the second husband that abandoned his wife in this family. Earlier on this thread Alonso Laredo abandons Antonia Marin de Sotomayor. I wonder how common that was back then.

Danny C. Alonso

Juana Nunez de Lara, señora de Lara y Viscaya is not the mother of Maria Tellez de Castilla and Pedro Ledesmas ancestry

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Research, like life, takes us through unexpected paths in our journey. I had previously stated that I believed the following erroneous statement on a previous post:

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-05-27 09:37 | Permalink

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Latest research as of May 27, 2016

Research reveals that again the source used for claiming that Maria teller de Castilla is not Juana de Lara's daughter is the letter that if anyone botherered to read actually implies that she is a legitimate daughter. It is her half sister that is identified as being illegitimate in the letter.

The reason that the letter implies that she is legitimate is because the Catholic Church recognized her as being legitimate. Further research reveals that her father had appealed to the Catholic Church, and they responded by giving her legitimate status.

Even though she was deemed legitimate, I doubt that she is Juana de Lara's daughter because if she was the daughter of his wife I don't think he would have needed to ask the church to deem her legitimate.

R.A.Ricci

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Dear Alex,

Holy Cow is how I feel. Edward III does not compare to the other branch that Pedro descends from. It was actually someone else, arguably the greatest knight who ever lived, who had an even greater impact on English history that I had originally thought I had descended from but the previous link had been proven false, this knight is an ancestor to Pedro Ledesma.

What is also important was the thread that brought me back to this branch that opened the door to more research lines. Researching these new lines brought me to someone that I already descend from through another line, but had dead ended in the 1400s. but this time when I researched from a different angle since I was coming from different people, I found the ancestors to what had been a deadend. This ancestor actually makes many people of Nueva Galicia a descendant of Edward III, even if they don't descend from Pedro Ledesma. Someone may have already discovered this but to me this is new information.

R.A

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This is absolutely amazing information you are providing. Im still working my way to my first ancestors in the new world and here you are hopping the pond diving deep into time! How have your research techniques changed? Are you still looking at church documents? Thank you!

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Dear Alex,

The research is done differently. The baptismal records started in the 1500s so to go farther back you need to look at other type of church records, business records, legal records, books. The study of genealogy was done even back then. What we have going for us is that many of our ancestors practiced endogamy even before coming over to this side of the pond. They kept track of how they were related and much information comes from inheritance disputes where relationships have to be documented. Being able to list your parents and grandparents was important. The issues come up with people's names and surnames being different then today's practices. Look at my post on the Ochoa ancestry from a few weeks ago and you will see how surnames changed sometimes from one generation to the next.

Limpieza de Sangre

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I have just finished reading a very interesting book, "Genealogical Fictions - Limpieza de Sangre, Religion, and Gender in Colonial Mexico." This is basically a history of the concepts of racial purit

interesting post from DNAeXplained - Genetic Genealogy

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I just read an interesting post entitled, "Beware The Sale of Your DNA – Just Because You Can Upload Doesn’t Mean You Should," and thought I would share the link with the group.

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Published by gpf13 – Thu, 2016-05-26 04:58 | Permalink

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This is reminiscent of Rebecca Skloot's book, "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks." Henrietta was a cancer patient many years ago from whom doctors took cells without her knowledge or permission. They developed cell lines from her that are still today used in research, with financial gain for various individuals and organizations, and with nothing for her or her family. This was done before informed consent was required for participation in medical research.

I wonder if the practice of these DNA testing companies is consistent with modern medical informed consent practice?

This book is still available and is worth reading.

George Fulton

Please help me read a document with horrible handwriting

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I dont know how to link to PARES but to find the document, you search FRANCISCO DE COVARRUBIAS under Archivo General de Indias -> CONTRATACION. The document is dated 1563.

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sun, 2016-05-22 16:18 | Permalink

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Hi,

It is indeed very hard to read, I can recognize words here and there, but not really read it. The gist? This is a Contratación, so they were getting all the permits to in order to travel from Sevilla, Spain to New Spain, América.

On pages 1 and 3 you can read some of the information:
1/24 Franco. de Cobarribias, veco. de Sevilla y su mujer Maria Ramirez a N.E.
(Francisco de Cobarrubias, neighbour of Sevilla and his wife Maria Ramírez, going to New Spain)
3/2 Me, Francisco de Cobarrubias, neighbour from this city, and Maria Ramirez my wife, want to go the province of New Spain.

My understanding is that whatever they put in the description of the document was taken from it. You may try to find individual words (like Granada, Gaspar, Margarita) and take it from there.

Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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Victoriano

Thank you for the assistance! I have been able to locate the parents names on the 13th and 14th lines of Pg 5/24. Other than that all I see are scribbles!

Alex

Help on marriage and the use of the term alias

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I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
Español to Maria Catharina Bueno.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-05-20 22:45 | Permalink

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I descend from Maria de los Dolores Marin's sister, Maria Josephina Potenciana Marin de la Peña Losa. (Sometimes the Arenas surname pops up)

Maria Jpha. P. Marin is married to Jose Manuel Cardenas y Mendoza. The information that I have on their parents is mainly through marriage dispensations but some genealogists have posted different information so I need to go back and review all my notes on the family before I post it for you.

R.A. Ricci

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Juan Carrillo,

I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…

The record does state that he was a widower, the entry for his first marriage can be seen on image 164 in the same folder as the above record. It also states that the parentage was unknown.

Hopefully someone in the group will have a better understanding of the term “alias” in Spanish records.

-Angelina Markle-

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Hi Angelina,

I've seen the use of Alias in similar situations, my guess is, even though Miguel Ruiz is listed as an hijo de padres no conocidos, that he most likely knew who his father was and that he descended from the Carrillo family, which would explain his children adopting that name.

Chris

From: "angelina@markleweb.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:14 PM
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Juan Carrillo,

I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…

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Chris,

Maybe you are right. However, it could also be the name of an adopted
parent, or simply that of a god-parent. You just never know, without
documentation or DNA evidence that states otherwise, we can't make
assumptions.

-Angelina-
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Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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alias

Hi Angelina,

I've seen the use of Alias in similar situations, my guess is, even though
Miguel Ruiz is listed as an hijo de padres no conocidos, that he most likely
knew who his father was and that he descended from the Carrillo family,
which would explain his children adopting that name.

Chris

From: "angelina@markleweb.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term
alias

Juan Carrillo,

I could not access the link you attached. However, I too

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I have found that sometimes the "alias" refers to the surname of a step-father or step-mother or adoptive parents

> From: angelina@markleweb.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 19:14:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term alias
>
> Juan Carrillo,
>
> I could not access the link you attached. However, I too have Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno in my family tree (5th g-grandparents). I have no answers for you as to the use of alias; however, I did manage to find the marriage record for Pedro Antonio's parents ... and that record states that Miguel Ruiz did not know who his parents were. Here is the link to that record
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-JR?i=297&wc=3JFF-929%…
>
> The record does state that he was a widower, the entry for his first marriage can be seen on image 164 in the same folder as the

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Published by dcalonso – Fri, 2016-05-20 18:30 | Permalink

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It just means he also used the name Carrillo too. I've seen it on other
records before. It doesn't mean anything. He's probably using his mother's
last name. his mother Maria de los Dolores is listed as Española but de los
Dolores isn't a last name, so her name is probably Carrillo.

Danny C. Alonso

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Juan Carrillo
wrote:

> I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
> this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
> Español to Maria Catharina Bueno. For over two hundred years Carrillo has
> been the family name, now this appears. Does the word alias mean the same
> then as today. Does it have other meanings. Pedro and Catharina went on to
> have two sons carrying the name Carrillo Bueno. Should I now view the Ruiz
> lineage from this point on into the past as my lineage? Am I reading and
> translating this correctly? Can anyone help address my confusion? Thanks
> Juan Manuel Carrillo
>
> Here

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My husband said that "Dolores" means "sorrows", as in Maria de los Dolores (Mary of Sorrows), the Virgin Mary mourning for her Son. I also have found that an "alias" refers sometimes to the surname of a step-parent or adoptive parent.

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 18:19:02 -0700
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help on marriage and the use of the term alias
>
> It just means he also used the name Carrillo too. I've seen it on other
> records before. It doesn't mean anything. He's probably using his mother's
> last name. his mother Maria de los Dolores is listed as Española but de los
> Dolores isn't a last name, so her name is probably Carrillo.
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Juan Carrillo
> wrote:
>
> > I have been building our family tree for some years and I have come across
> > this document. It is a marriage entry for Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carrillo
> > Español to Maria Catharina Bueno

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-05-20 18:12 | Permalink

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Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa y Alva's parents, Manuel Marin de la Peña Losa and Teresa Alva, were distant cousins through their Marin de la Peña Losa ancestors.

Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa was born about 1720

She also descends from Toribio Hernandez Arellano ( Aka Toribio Hernandez Santillana). I recently posted some information on his family in nuestrosranchos.org.

R.A.Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-05-20 18:00 | Permalink

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Dear Juan Carillo,

Pedro Antonio Ruiz alias Carillo is the son Of Miguel Ruiz and Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa.

We share some ancestors. Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa y de Alva was the daughter of Manuel Marin de la Peña Losa And Teresa de Alva.

Teresa de Alva descends six generations back from Diego Ochoa Garibay and Juana Nunez de Sotomayor.

I have posted some my research on Juana Nunez de Sotomayor on nuestrosranchos.org I just recently posted Diego Ochoa Garibays ancestry going back to the 1300's on nuestrosranchos. You can find his ancestors at:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23400

I have too many ancestors of Maria Dolores Marin de la Peña Losa to write down right now.

Miguel Ruiz has espanol "Padres no conocidos" in both of his marriage records. I believe that one of his parents may have been named Carillo.

Good luck on your research,
R.A.Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-05-20 17:26 | Permalink

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I have seen Alias used as "also known as" and also as "used to be known as".

I would search both Ruiz and Carillo lines, even search lines that use Ruiz Carillo or Carillo Ruiz.

Maria Catharina Bueno
mentioned in the record of Pedro Antonio Ruiz Or Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno
Name Pedro Antonio Ruiz Or Carrillo
Spouse's Name Maria Catharina Bueno
Event Date 19 Oct 1778
Event Place San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Jose Miguel Ruiz
Mother's Name Maria Marin De Los Dolores
Spouse's Father's Name Jose Mathias Bueno
Spouse's Mother's Name Petra Maria Diaz
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCXB-RH7 : accessed 20 May 2016), Pedro Antonio Ruiz Or Carrillo and Maria Catharina Bueno, 19 Oct 1778; citing San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 226,026.

Maria De Los Dolores Marin
mentioned in the record of Miguel Ruis and Maria De

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Census (or Padrinos) lists

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I would like to know what years Zacatecas did censuses. On Guadalajara dispensas website I found one in 1850, which was great and a random find to me.

Elvira Gil de Lara

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Recien acabo de encontrar una informacion que confirma que Elvira Gil de Lara la madre de Martin Vazquez de Zermeño (esposo de Ana Garcia de Miranda o Arrona)es LA MISMA que la madre de Juan Sanch

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Published by mendezdetorres – Wed, 2010-07-14 07:50 | Permalink

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Donde podria conseguir ese libro?

Daniel

To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

please visit www.mormon.org

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: migueltran@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:13:21 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Elvira Gil de Lara
>
> Recien acabo de encontrar una informacion que confirma que Elvira Gil de Lara la madre de Martin Vazquez de Zermeño (esposo de Ana Garcia de Miranda o Arrona)es LA MISMA que la madre de Juan Sanchez (esposo de Martha? Sanchez de Mendoza-en el registro matrimonial aparece María-)
>
> Este interesante dato lo encontre en un libro recien publicado por don Mario Gomez Mota, Cronista de Lagos de Moreno, llamado "Bautismos, matrimonios y defunciones en el primer siglo de Santa María de los Lagos".

Published by mendezdetorres – Wed, 2010-07-14 07:50 | Permalink

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Si esto es verdad, ahora pensarlo como salio Juan Sanchez de Lara si el

papa es Juan Vasquez Zermeno y Elvira Gil de Lara.
Tambien tuvieron otra hija Magdalena Gil de Lara quien caso al Alcalde de Leon,

Diego Frausto el 2 Jun 1586 en Lagos de Moreno. Diego era orignario de las

montanes de Burgos en los Reynos de Castilla y vecino (alcalde de la Villa de Leon

en las reales minas de Guanajuato.

Daniel

Cuando encontramos porque uso Sanchez el Juan nos daramos cuenta quien

son los padres de Juan Vasquez y Elvira Gil.

To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

please visit www.mormon.org

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: migueltran@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:13:21 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Elvira Gil de Lara
>
> Recien acabo de encontrar una informacion que confirma que Elvira Gil de Lara la madre de Martin Vazquez de Zermeño (esposo de Ana Garcia de Miranda o Arrona)es LA MISMA que la madre de Juan

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Magdalena Gil de Lara, mencionada en la magna obra Retoños de España Tomo VII pag. 260 aparece como hija de Elvira Gil de Lara y Juan Sánchez de Figueroa Peninsular originario de Toledo.

Nacida hacia 1569; casada en Lagos el 2 de junio de 1586 con Diego Frausto d'Aponte, viudo de Anna de Torres(quien fue hija de Andrés de Lucio, minero de Guanajuato, y quien falleció en Silao en mayo de 1586.)Perteneciente Frausto, "a la mas noble y principal familia de Campomayor en Portugal"; hijo de Alvaro Frausto, que murió en guerra con los indios y de Catalina Diáz. (Retoños de España Tomo VII pag. 260).

Saludos

Adrián Márquez

Published by migueltran – Fri, 2010-07-02 15:41 | Permalink

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Mexico
"24 de septiembre de 1578
"Reconocimiento
"Doña María de Garnica, viuda del secretario Alonso Sánchez de Toledo [secretario y escribano mayor de la Aud. de la Nueva Galicia], reconoce un censo a favor de los padres, prior, frailes y convento del monasterio de San Agustin de Tiripetio, en la provincia de Michoacan.
"Por cuanto Francisco Ruiz, sastre, como principal y Domingo de Orona, platero, como su fiador... impusieron y vendieron a Elvira Gil de Lara, viuda de Juan Vázquez, 40 pesos de oro de minas de censo y tributo anual, por el principal de 400 pesos de dicho oro, que impusieron sobre unas casas que Francisco Ruiz tenia en Mexico, en la calle que va por delante del monasterio de San Agustin, -linde con unas casas que fueron de Francisco Granado y al presente son de Juan del Moral; y con casas que fueron de Bautista Marín y al presente son del relator Francisco de la Cerda; y con casas de Francisco de Almos; y por las espaldas con casas que fueron de Francisco Vázquez

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Miguel,

Si sabe por donde se vente, favor de enviar un aviso porque me interesaria obtenerlo.

Alicia

________________________________
From: "migueltran@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 3:45:39 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Libro Bautismos matrimonios y defunciones de Sta. Ma. dls Lagos

El libro fue un obsequio. Voy a investigar donde esta a la venta.

Miguel Beltran

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Si desean obtener el libro, dirijanse directamente a Marío Gómez Mata, en la Casa de la Cultura de Lagos de Moreno. o contacten con el por medio de su pagina en facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/gomezmata.mario?fref=ts

Al parecer le quedaban muy pocos ejemplares.

Saludos

Adrián Márquez

Raigosa from Tepic, Nayarit

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I am searching for Jose Pedro Raigosa who was born 28 Aug 1897 in Tepic his father was Pedro L Raigosa born 1860 in Tepic, Nayarit.

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Published by LasFlores – Thu, 2016-05-19 18:02 | Permalink

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Is that your Public Member Family Tree on Ancestry.com with death date 4/1972 Alameda County?

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From Familysearch

Maria De La Luz Bailey
mentioned in the record of Pedro Raigoza and Maria De La Luz Bailey
Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Dec 1924
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 23
Birth Year (Estimated) 1901
Father's Name Pedro L Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Maria De La Luz Bailey
Spouse's Age 26
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1898
Spouse's Father's Name Evaristo Bailey
Spouse's Mother's Name Paz Navarro
Page 61

Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 07 May 1927
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Father's Name Pedro Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Carlota Gomez
Spouse's Age 31
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1896
Spouse's Father's Name Anastacio Gomez
Spouse's Mother's Name Refugio Gavaleta
Page 168

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From Familysearch

Maria De La Luz Bailey
mentioned in the record of Pedro Raigoza and Maria De La Luz Bailey
Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Dec 1924
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 23
Birth Year (Estimated) 1901
Father's Name Pedro L Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Maria De La Luz Bailey
Spouse's Age 26
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1898
Spouse's Father's Name Evaristo Bailey
Spouse's Mother's Name Paz Navarro
Page 61

Name Pedro Raigoza
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 07 May 1927
Event Place Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Father's Name Pedro Raigoza
Mother's Name Mariana Ramirez
Spouse's Name Carlota Gomez
Spouse's Age 31
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1896
Spouse's Father's Name Anastacio Gomez
Spouse's Mother's Name Refugio Gavaleta
Page 168

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Thank you for the info. Are you related to the Raigosa family??? Also would you happen to have more info on Pedro L's ancestors?? I am related to the Raigosas. Thank you for your help

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I have the following info on my Pedro Raigosa:

Pedro Raigosa
Arrival Date 3 Sep 1919
Port of Arrival Nogales, Arizona, United States
Accompanied by Wife Frca De Raigosa
Departure Contact Child Celia Raigosa
Age 28
Birth Date abt 1891
Gender Male
Record has photo? Yes
Record Type Card

The wife and CHild listed are not his-this is my ggma, so I know this document with photo are absolutely the correct people--this was just to get them across border--I don't know how they met---but they were lovers and he was already married. He also mentions his son at home Rick.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/1082/AZM1769_14-5393/1065329?backurl=ht…

I also have
California, Railroad Employment Records, 1862-1950
Pedro Raigosa
Occupation Laborer
Employment Start Date 31 Mar 1919
Employment Place California, USA
Railroad Description Sacramento Division

Teodora Garcia

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I can't read the name of the bride's parents. Her name is Maria Teodora
Garcia. it's the first one on the right.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-05-20 11:36 | Permalink

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Dear Alonso,
Here are some possible sources of information:

1)
Name Jose Calisto Florentino Garcia
Gender Male
Christening Date 17 Oct 1800
Christening Place San Francisco de Borja, Chihuahua, Mexico
Father's Name Antonio Garcia
Mother's Name Vivana Carmona
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR99-TT5 : accessed 20 May 2016), Jose Calisto Florentino Garcia, 17 Oct 1800; citing San Francisco de Borja, Chihuahua, Mexico, reference item 4 p 96; FHL microfilm 1,222,901.

2)
Maria Reducinda Reyes Espinosa
Mexico Baptisms
Name Maria Reducinda Reyes Espinosa
Gender Female
Christening Date 07 Mar 1813
Christening Place SANTO CRISTO DE BURGOS,JIMENEZ,CHIHUAHUA,MEXICO
Birth Date 01 Mar 1813
Father's Name Juan Reyes
Mother's Name Maria Teresa Espinosa
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV37-TB8 : accessed 20 May 2016), Maria Reducinda Reyes

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Published by rosa9972 – Thu, 2016-05-19 19:50 | Permalink

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The mom's name is Reducinda Espinosa. The dot for the i is a little early.

Rosalinda

Published by sarod77 – Thu, 2016-05-19 10:15 | Permalink

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it looks like calisto garcia but I don't know what the mother's name is but espinosa is the surname. If you look at the padrinos of your garcia and Arias Hernandez and delgado MH6G-TY7 ID on familysearch.org you will see that their padrinos were a hernandez and garcia maybe they are related, the two garcias.
​

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Thank you Mr. Ricci, Sarod and Rosalinda for helping me with the parents
names. I really appreciate it.

Danny C. Alonso

On Thursday, May 19, 2016, wrote:

> it looks like calisto garcia but I don't know what the mother's name is but
> espinosa is the surname. If you look at the padrinos of your garcia and
> Arias
> Hernandez and delgado MH6G-TY7 ID on familysearch.org you will see that
> their
> padrinos were a hernandez and garcia maybe they are related, the two
> garcias.
> ​
>

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The parents seem to be Calisto? Garcia and Reducinda (Rudecinda?) Espinosa.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-05-18 22:08 | Permalink

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Hello Danny,

I am also having trouble reading it but I think that Teodora's mother's surname is Espinosa.

Have you tried looking to see if there is a dispensation through the Garcia surname? Have you tried looking for its "informacion matrimonial" record?

Try reading more records from this writer and look for patterns in the letters.

Good luck,

R.A.Ricci

Dispensas de Matrimonio

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I noticed some of the Dispensas don't have the little magnifying glass to search for names.

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Ponce de Leon of Nochistlan

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Hello! I am looking for more information on the origins of two families of Ponce or Ponce de Leon from Nochistlan and Mexticacan:

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Published by familias_bajio – Tue, 2016-05-17 21:30 | Permalink

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Hi Alex,
I've hit a dead-end with the Ponce siblings, Diego and Gertrudis. I've been researching the Ponce's from Nochistlan in hopes of finding a connection to my 8th great grandfather Sebastian Ponce de Leon who married Maria Felipa Macias on 5 August 1708 in Aguascalientes. The marriage record is the 3rd entry on the right.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13029-90470-20?cc=1502404 : accessed 18 May 2016), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Matrimonios 1703-1795 > image 73 of 445; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

Best regards,
Austin

Published by ibarra55 – Sun, 2014-07-13 23:21 | Permalink

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Hello All,

I'm sorry it has taken me so long to get back to this post. Thank you Steven and Armando for the information! It is fascinating to get such a vivid glimpse into life in 18th century Nochistlan.

Saul, I don't think I received your email. I hope you are all well!

Regards,

Richard Ibarra

Published by ElCapitanPaco – Tue, 2014-02-04 21:06 | Permalink

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¡De veras...qué curioso!

Apenas anoche estaba revisando unos datos sobre Iñiguez, Ponce y Lomelín en Mexticacán y Nochistlán, cuando localicé la dispensa Gregorio Iñiguez (hijo de Gregorio Iñiguez y de Juana Ponce) y Gertrudis Pérez (hija de Agustín Pérez y de María Guadalupe de Jáuregui) con fecha de 9 de octubre de 1758, en Nochistlán.

Narra la historia de cómo Gregorio y Gertrudis ya habían vivido juntos por casi un año y que él “le violó su virginidad” y se la robó de la casa de sus padres, y que salió que estaba embarazada, y cuando se quería casar con ella resultó que lo arrestaron y lo metieron en la cárcel y que además eran parientes por dos parentescos de consanguinidad, uno en tercer grado igual y el otro en tercero con cuarto grado. Se les otorgó la dispensa y se casaron el 8 de noviembre de 1758, en Nochistlán.

La fuente está accesible a través de www.GuadalajaraDispensas.com y el enlace para que la puedas ver es:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-33876

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Para agregar un poco de información.

María Ponce de León y Medina casó alrededor de 15 de enero 1685 con Pedro de Jáuregui y Chávez hijo de Juan-Francisco de Jáuregui & Josepha de Chávez y Siordia
IM https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23674-31?cc=1804458&wc…

Diego Ponce y Medina casó el 1 de febrero 1712 con Josefa de Jáuregui y Paez hija de Leonardo de Jáuregui y Chávez y de Gerónima de Paez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51418-13?cc=1410092&wc…

María Gertrudis Ponce de León casó el 8 de septiembre 1715 con Eligio de Jáuregui y Chávez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-52192-16?cc=1804458&wc…

Esta Gertrudis no debería ser la que bautizaron 16 Jan 1683 porque bautizaron su ultima hija, Nicolasa de la Cruz, el 19 de mayo 1746 dando la fecha de nacimiento de alrededor de 1700 o después.

Ese Eligio casó el 14 de febrero 1695 con Anna de Sepúlveda y Carbajal. Tuvieron a otro hijo llamada

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Saul Navarro
Thank you Steven and Armando.
I too have Gregorio Yniguez and Juana Ponce as my 8x great grandparents in my paternal family line. I sent Richard Ibarra an e-mail via Nuestros Ranchos contact link. I only know of one other person with the same family research of the Ponce family and that is my Prima Raquel Ruiz.

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Has anyone found and proof that the Eligio Jauregui who married Gertrudis Ponce is the same one that married Ana Sepulveda?

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Alex,

No definitive proof but the timeline provided by the marriage and burial records provides convincing evidence that it is the same person.

Eligio de Jauregui married Ana de Sepulveda on 14 February 1695 in Mexticacan. In the marriage record his parents are listed as Juan Francisco de Jauregui and Josefa Chavez (deceased).
"México, Zacatecas, registros parroquiales, 1605-1980," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51661-36?cc=1804458&wc… : accessed 9 March 2015), Nochistlán > Nochistlán > Matrimonios 1691-1736 > image 67 of 448; paróquias Católicas, Zacatecas [Catholic Church parishes, Zacatecas].

Ana de Sepulveda daughter of Nicolas de Sepulveda and Jeronima de Carvajal was buried on 2 March 1712 in Mexticacan.
"México, Zacatecas, registros parroquiales, 1605-1980," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-832-88?cc=1804458 : accessed 15 May 2016)

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Austin

I appreciate your comment. I missed the part in the marriage record stating it was his second marriage.

I believe I have just found the proof:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6D9P-N7?mode=g&i=679&wc=3J…

This dispensa ties Eligio to Leonardo in the same manner as the dispensa posted earlier in this thread, which tied Eligio to Gertrudis Ponce. In the linked dispensa here, Eligio has a son Manuel, which was born to Eligio in 1705 by Anna Sepulveda. So the Eligios are confirmed to be the same person

Nochistlan de Zacatecas by Evelia Clotilde Quirarte

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Alicia,

Can you please tell me where I can get or borrow a copy of Nochistlan de Zacatecas by Evelia Clotilde Quirarte?

I have ancestors from the Mazapil/Nochistlan area.

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When I get home this evening, I'll look it up and get back to you.

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Sent: ‎4/‎20/‎2016 7:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan de Zacatecas by Evelia ClotildeQuirarte

Alicia,

Can you please tell me where I can get or borrow a copy of Nochistlan de Zacatecas by Evelia Clotilde Quirarte?

I have ancestors from the Mazapil/Nochistlan area. I am looking for information about the settlers of the hacienda de San Juan, later called de Ahorcados because the local Indians attacked the settlers and hung them all. I am looking for Monico or Jose Monico Barron, born in said hacienda about 1761 and his wife Justa or Rufina or Justa Rufina Candelaria possible surname Paredes, born possibly in the same place about 1764.

I am also looking for any books about Mazapil in the 1700s. The hacienda de San Juan de Ahorcados or simply Ahorcados, was destroyed

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Hi Danny
I just saw your subject. As for yourself how did you discover what type of Amerindian you carry in your lineage. I was very surprised when I received my DNA and the Spanish percentage came back low. Especially with the surname that I carry so I assumed it would be higher. I am trying to educate myself on how to understand my DNA readings especially on Gedmatch. I always knew my paternal grandmother was Amerindian just never imaged how much she was and I am not sure about my maternal side since they never spoke of it. Just proves that just because you carry a Spanish last name doesn't guarantee your bloodline is 100%. I am trying to obtain as much information I can from my living elders so hopefully in time I can have more of clear picture of my DNA. I am very happy to be discovering more of where I came from and truly proud of my ethnicity.

Thanks

Rosario Tiscareno

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Rosario, he only identified one of his ancestors as being from a specific tribe due to documentation. It is very rare to be able to do that and he nor the rest of us can determine which tribes all of our indigenous ancestors were from. There was way too much mixing and too few documents of the natives. I am sure Danny has ancestry from other tribes just like all of us do even in the families that are reported to only have españoles in the documented genealogy.

If you want to see if more of your Native American/Amerindian ancestry came from your paternal or maternal side you will want to get as many of the older generations tested as possible. Some will have more Native American/Amerindian than others.

Armando

Published by dcalonso – Tue, 2016-05-17 07:35 | Permalink

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Rosario,

My DNA was through Ancestry. My mom got the test for me. But, not all of my ancestors are from Mexico so my Native American is not that high. Plus, because I have some Scottish and Irish people that innermarried with my Mexican ancestors I'm not sure what all comes from Mexico. But I have come across lots of Indios while doing the research so I was a little surprised mine was so low. My Native American was 13%. My Iberian Peninsula was 17%. And, I had 3% North African an 2% Jewish. I'm guessing that that's all from Mexican Ancestors. I also had a small amount of Asian and an even smaller less than 1% Sub Saharan Africa. I'm not sure where either of those comes from, maybe Mexico but I don't know. The rest was all Ireland and British Isles and Scandinavian. But, my 1st cousin who almost all her ancestors are from Mexico also did a DNA test awhile ago and she had some British Isles and Scandinavian too, so maybe some of that came from Mexico too but I don't know how. its kinda

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Anastasia de la Luz

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me the name of the paternal granparents are for
Anastasia de la Luz Maese.

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Published by Esther_Jordan_Lopez – Mon, 2016-05-16 11:45 | Permalink

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I read it as Dolores Maure y Candelaria Cardenas y abuelos maternos
Francisco Alderete y Reyes Ortega.

Hope that helps.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
>
> Could someone tell me the name of the paternal granparents are for
> Anastasia de la Luz Maese. its the 3rd one down on the left
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FNN-WS
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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Thank you Esther.

Danny C. Alonso

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Esther Jordan wrote:

> I read it as Dolores Maure y Candelaria Cardenas y abuelos maternos
> Francisco Alderete y Reyes Ortega.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Danny Alonso
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
> >
> >
> > Could someone tell me the name of the paternal granparents are for
> > Anastasia de la Luz Maese. its the 3rd one down on the left
> >
> >
> > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FNN-WS
> >
> >
> > Danny C. Alonso
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Lina Oviedo

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what the name of the maternal grandmother of Lina Oviedo is on this record:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6DM9-XR6

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Published by rosa9972 – Sun, 2016-05-15 11:12 | Permalink

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Hi,

The name is Rosa Gurrola.

Rosalinda

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Thank you Rosalinda it was very hard to read

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:12 AM, wrote:

> Hi, The name is Rosa Gurrola. Rosalinda
>

Nuestros Ranchos GEDCOM

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I've been unable to access the GEDCOM section here in Nuestros Ranchos.

This is the message that pops up:

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Published by thutson – Fri, 2016-05-13 00:19 | Permalink

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When will someone work on this error??

Published by makas_nc – Thu, 2015-12-31 19:08 | Permalink

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Sorry about this problem. Its New Year's Eve and just hearing about this. I'm going to wait a bit and bring this up to Arturo to see what the can be done about this problem. Sorry about the trouble here.

HAPPY NEW YEARS Everyone

joseph

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Joseph

I'm getting the same error message.

George Fulton

Sierra de Pinos Baptisms 1613-1636 Selected Extractions

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I have just posted in my Dropbox account several handwritten pages of selected extractions of the earliest Pinos parish baptism entries.

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I've just uploaded selected extractions made during my first visit to Pinos in 1994. These are raw notes and at times a bit challenging to decipher, but they are worth the effort. There are confirmation, baptism, marriage and death records taken from UNFILMED books dating from 1614. See my Dropbox folder: Pinos Extractions 1994 25 Pages.

Mary Lou

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Baptisms and deaths. I did these in 1996 during my second and last trip to Pinos, Zacatecas. The 15 pages of baptism extractions were taken from Book 1, Part 2. The 4 pages of death records were separate. Toward the end of the day my handwriting was quite desperate as time ran out. I didn’t want to stop. I am indebted to the late Ricardo Acosta Gomez, who very generously allowed me access to those precious documents. See Dropbox folder: Pinos Extractions 1996 19 Pages.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yop1j3tqornd0xh/AABnVNtOvuDJtcuW0Gk5vgBHa?or…

My roots are solidly Los Altos; specifically Jalostotitlan. But branches of my family tree are in San Luis Potosi, Ojuelos and Pinos. So glad these notes are helping you.

Mary Lou

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Last year I tried to go to Pinos to look at the records but too many cousins to visit in San Luis Potosi.

So glad you made it to Pinos and are generously sharing your hardwork. I wish I had known you 1996, I went many times to San Luis during this time period, and I could have learned from a master!! Oops, with your records, I am! Thanks.

Acta matrimonial Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Hermosillo and Juana de Lomelín - 21 Nov 1652, Guadalajara

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Following up and branching off from Nuestros Ranchos thread http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18719?page=1

I thought this merited FRONT PAGE NEWS.

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Published by salvagr – Mon, 2015-12-07 12:02 | Permalink

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hank you very much for this valuable information, I am descended from his son Lazaro and Ines de la Mora or Samora not stop us this good news.
Cheers

Published by ElCapitanPaco – Mon, 2015-08-03 18:52 | Permalink

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Hello everyone, it's me again.

Sorry to be posting so much lately, but it's summer and this year I have been researching and documenting the various sources in one of my Gutiérrez Rubio and González de Hermosillo lines. My summer project began by searching through the early burials of San Juan de los Lagos, which sifted over to Jalostotitlán. I was, and still kind of am, "old school, I had researched these years ago on Microfilms way back when you had to actually go to a Family History Center and order them from Salt Lake City and were available for only a couple of weeks, unless you renewed them long-term. I would record dates, names, places, and sources, but for the volume of Microfilms and towns and years, but I couldn't get all the copies of everything I wanted. But since the Microfilms were made available online some years back, I have been busy researching in a myriad of towns gathering sources, when I have time on vacation.

Since these are some of the most prominent

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Great job primo Estevan, you set a great example in your attention to
details such as citing your sources, checking, double checking and triple
checking and sharing your findings with those who want and need to know.

My hat off to you and your extreme patience and diligence!!

Felicidades por tu gran esfuerzo y tus grandes logros.

Alicia

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:52 PM, wrote:

> Hello everyone, it's me again. Sorry to be posting so much lately, but it's
> summer and this year I have been researching and documenting the various
> sources in one of my Gutiérrez Rubio and González de Hermosillo lines. My
> summer project began by searching through the early burials of San Juan de
> los Lagos, which sifted over to Jalostotitlán. I was, and still kind of am,
> "old school, I had researched these years ago on Microfilms way back when
> you
> had to actually go to a Family History Center and order them from Salt Lake
> City and were available for only a couple of weeks, unless you renewed

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You are welcome Alicia!! I do what I can to help, following the example of others in hopes others will follow my example.

I have had many serious setbacks in my genealogy over the past few years and I am having to rebuild what I have lost, which has caused my relative absence from Nuestros Ranchos. It seems that despite my gains, I haven't moved forward. It feels like two steps forward, one step back. So sharing is part of my new process as I slowly regain what was taken.

Just hope this info is truly appreciated by our common cousins and gets discussions going here in Nuestros Ranchos.

SFHL

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Dear primo Steven
it is always a pleasure to read your pieces of research, they are always so clear and important that I think we all thank you very much for that and for your generosity in sharing your time and your knowledge.

Now that we are here trying to figure out the lines of the Placencia, the Aceves and the Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, I think one good line of investigation could be to try to find why in the Padrones of 1649,1650 we see that in the house of Leonor de Hermosillo were living ,among other personas, her nephew Juan de Aceves and her niece Catalina de Mejía , and they are called "hijos de Juan de Aceves y Beatríz de Hermosillo" ?

I think it is very important to find why one of the children was an outright "Aceves", and why his sister was a "Mejía" ?

Another interesting line to set clear (maybe it is clear already but I don´t have it)is :

Who were the parents of Sebastián Gutiérrez de Hermosillo (born around 1630), who married around 1655 to María Rodríguez

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Published by ElCapitanPaco – Sat, 2015-08-15 01:59 | Permalink

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Hola primos...

Me da gusto que mi trabajo es realmente apreciado. Muchas gracias primo Carlos.

Thanks to everybody who keep the discussions alive and seriously contribute to the growth of understanding. Posting helps my writing process (for the various books I have in the works and plans for) and makes me aware I should be more clear and precise to avoid any doubts or questions in readers minds. And you're right Alicia, I do double and triple check my work. You know me well.

One of my books will be a set of monographs in the style of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia dedicated to whole families that got left out. I shared a lot of info to Don Mariano González-Leal from my Arandas and Ayo el Chico research for his book, but I want to be more than just a footnote in his books, and write my own. Don Mariano did not include whole families and lineages in his massive opus. As Guillermo Tovar de Teresa once pointed out before he passed away, Retoños is so huge and despite its

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I would like to purchase this book when you have it printed. Will you let
me know?

Thank you.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:42 PM, wrote:

> Hola primos... Me da gusto que mi trabajo es realmente apreciado. Muchas
> gracias primo Carlos. Thanks to everybody who keep the discussions alive
> and
> seriously contribute to the growth of understanding. Posting helps my
> writing
> process (for the various books I have in the works and plans for) and makes
> me aware I should be more clear and precise to avoid any doubts or
> questions
> in readers minds. And you're right Alicia, I do double and triple check my
> work. You know me well. One of my books will be a set of monographs in the
> style of Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia dedicated to whole families
> that got left out. I shared a lot of info to Don Mariano González-Leal from
> my Arandas and Ayo el Chico research for his book, but I want to be more
> than
> just a footnote in his books, and write my own. Don Mariano did not

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Dear Steve,

Is Pedro Ledesma el comendador the same Pedro Ledesma that is married to Isabel Grado? Or is Pedro Ledesma and Isabel Grados son known as el comendador? I recall reading that the de la torre Ledesma descend from Pedro Ledesma el comendador but I don't remember where I read this.

Thanks,
Rick A Ricci

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Dear Steve,

Sorry about the question in the last post. Pedro de Ledesma married to to Catalina Mejia cannot be the Pedro Ledesma el comendador. The Pedro Ledesma el comendador is living in the 1400's.
the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado is not pedro Ledesma el comendador. If all the little puzzles that I put together are accurate then Pedro Ledesma el comendador is most likely the great grandfather of the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado.
The family descent from the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado is shown here in nuestro ranchos. I have put together the ancestral line of Pedro Ledesma el comendador with documented sources.

Due to my notes, I feel comfortable placing "Pedro Ledesma el comendador" as the great grandfather of our Pedro Ledesma This ancestral tree places him as cousin to an ancestor of the Rodriguez de Hijar family therefore adding to the family connections of the first families of los altos de Jalisco also being related in Spain before coming

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Steven

I have only just started digesting all of this information. I have a few questions.

In the image you posted above pertaining to Benito Munoz de la Barba and Estefania Quesada, Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo, 60 years old (1622), and Pedro Gutierrez, 59 years old (1623), both state that Catalina Gonzalez is their aunt. Im guessing Juan and Pedro are the children of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo who married Ana Gonzalez Florida. Would that make Catalina Gonzalez the sister of Ana Gonzalez Florida and Miguel Gutierrez (m Leonor Hermosillo).

I also see that you say Pedro Gutierrez is the son of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and his sister in law. I am very interested in any information you have regarding Pedro as I am a direct descendant of everyone in this post ha!

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