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Emile, you are great.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Victor,
> 
> As usual your observation is as astute as always.  I
> did identify with some of the debaters, those that
> took the middle road.  I think we all need to get
> together and advance our situations by sticking
> together and not going off on tangents to the
> extremes, such as the Aztlan group.  It is
> unfortunate that those in that group do not realize
> that people like Pat Buchanan stir the Anglo
> populace up by making it look like that fringe group
> speaks for us all, and that we are all into
> "Reconquista" which brings up to the Anglos the
> specter of armed brown hordes seeking to re-conquer
> the land.  We are slowly re-conquering anyway, due
> to the American economy being so dependent on cheap
> Mexican labor in manufacturing, agriculture and
> services.  We just need to tone down our resentments
> and work towards ensuring that this country remains
> the bastion that it has been for human rights for
> everyone.  We can't afford to take any backward
> steps.  We must acculturate, but because of the
> proximity to Mexico and our mostly Native origins,
> they can't expect us to give up our ethnicity as
> rapidly nor as completely as other immigrant groups.
>  This will take several generations to accomplish,
> if ever.
> 
> Emilie
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>   From:
> v.h.villarreal<mailto:raices_regias@...> 
>   To:
>
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:55 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Dialog of the Dead --> with the
> Living
> 
> 
>   --- In
>
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>,
> Joseph Puentes <makas@n<mailto:makas@n>...> wrote:
>   > >
>   >
>
http://www.historynothype.com/deaddialog.htm<http://www.historynothype.com/deaddialog.htm>
>   > 

Not only blacks...
Sorry to say that not only blacks have denied their
own race but many of those of Mexican blood have done
the same, even in my own family.  Such shame can be
spread among most of us.  Most of this shame is due to
ignorance.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California 

--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> Here is an interesting article in the San Jose
> Mercury News titled, ''DNA is undeniable''. It was
> sent to me by my brother, very interesting and so
> relevant to what we have been discussing this week.
>    
>   Alicia
>    
>   DNA is undeniable -- we're all closely
> related``Every year,'' I once overheard my father
> say jokingly to a friend, ``thousands of Negroes
> disappear.'' I remember my 8-year-old imagination
> going into overdrive, picturing people zapped from
> their homes in the middle of the night. It was only
> as I grew older that I realized that the people my
> father was talking about were choosing to disappear,
> running away from their families, not being taken
> from them. They were light-skinned blacks who could
> move into the white world undetected, denying
> their...
> The full article will be available on the Web for a
> limited time:
>
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/editorial/13578167.htm
> (c) 2006 MercuryNews.com and wire service sources.
> All Rights Reserved.
> 
> 


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Rosalinda, I had not heard of this author or poem before.  It's the 
first time in a long time I cried while reading something.. so 
powerful.. I can understand why Joseph wants it recorded.  Thank you 
for making me aware of it. I love this group!

Linda in Everett

>From what I remember, the Black Legend refers to how
the English tried to portray the Spanish. It refers to
the idea that the Spanish had a cruel streak within
them, as evidenced by the Inquisition that was
happening in Spain to the known abuses that some
Spaniards inflicted on Native Americans. The Black
Legend is sort of a case of the victor writing the
history--especially, after the English victory over
the Spanish armada in 1588, making the English the
undisputed ruler of the seas.

I hope this helps.

Chris Pineda

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> What is the Black Legend?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
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What is the Black Legend?

joseph

Emilie and all,

I've been enjoying your messages and agree with you about identifying 
myself as Mexican.  My 25 year-old son said it best when he told one 
of his friends that his parents were both Mexican, so that makes him 
Mexican.  He is pretty Americanized, but still appreciates his 
Mexican culture.  He doesn't define himself by his ethnicity, but 
that doesn't mean he isn't proud of it.

Emilie, I chuckled at your comment about Aztlan.  I'll have to 
remember to ask if it's south, east, north or west of Atlantis next 
time I hear it.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
>
> Linda,
> 
> When some Anglo says "you don't look Mexican" it means that you 
don't look like his idea of Mexicans formed by most of the Mexicans 
he has seen---field or orchard workers, very dark, made darker by the 
sun, very small due to their mostly Indian blood, pitch black hair 
and eyes, poorly dressed, not too clean due to their constant labor 
in dirty places.  You probably speak English without an accent, too.
> 
> When asked a question by an Anglo and I don't respond instantly, 
inevitably comes the next question, "Do you speak English?"  Most 
people in the Southwest and California "know" that I am "Mexican"; I 
look "typically" Mexican, but the Asian cast to my eyes throws people 
who are more familiar with Filipinos, Native Americans, Pacific 
Islanders, Thai, etc. such as up here in the Northwest.
> 
> When asked what I am, I say I am Mexican and Native American (in 
Mexico, I am a Mestiza or Morena).  When asked by a Latin American in 
Spanish "eres Latina?", I say "Si, soy Mexicana".  When I travel, I 
am always taken as whatever dark skinned ethnicity they have in 
whatever country or state (Hawaii, Alaska, Italy, Spain) I happen to 
be in.  In foreign countries I tell them I am American (I was born in 
Colorado).  In Spain, they insist I am Mexican, not American, no 
matter where I was born.
> 
> I agree with Arturo below that if our ancestors came from Mexico, 
then we should say we are Mexicans.  I can say I am also Native 
American because I am Piro-Manso-Tewa (Pueblo tribes) on my mother's 
side.  My father said he was a Mestizo Mexicano born in Jerez.  I 
also think that since there is no country known as Chicana, we don't 
have to call ourselves Chicanos.  (I don't like the term either, 
maybe because I associate it with those that don't want to 

For your information:

Publications by El colegio de Michoacán, including a few that deal
with "Nueva Galicia" and other historical topics.

http://www.colmich.edu.mx/publicaciones/indices/indice_titulo.asp

Victor
México

I was asked this past week at work (I'm a library clerk) by a black gentleman if I had Indian blood. I responded that I did, on my father's side but that it was so remote as to be almost impossible to name. (Moctezuma's daughters are my ancestresses.) My father's father's mother probably had Indian, but what kind, who knows?



Anyway, I wasn't insulted just surprised. The funny thing is is that my features are my Scots mother's but my coloring is a paler version of my dad's. I have salt and pepper hair like my Jerezana grandmother and her almond-shaped eyes. I have funny colored eyes...I don't think they're those eyes we were discussing earlier in December. Sometimes if my skin flushes or I'm red from being out in the sun, they're almost hazel. I DO consider myself Hispanic as opposed to Mexican because I had more Scots influence in my formative years and I'm married to a South American of Italian descent, so our family is more continental than Mexican. But I can't and don't ever deny that my father was Mexican-born, therefore, half of my being. I also cannot and will not deny my Scots half. Just can't do it to either side. Marge:)



On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Good write up...
I have in the past felt that same way as you have
written.  And this is the reason I enjoy and indulge
in genealogy--to learn who I am and where I came from.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- lareina2@... wrote:


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The issues of acculturation and assimiliation run deep
and are painful in this land of multiethnic and
multicultural groups.  What do I call myself?  Who am
I?  Much of the pain of the generation that follows
the immigrant one often causes much confusion, and
sometimes, self-hatred and denial of ancestry.  How
can I call myself a Mexican when I can speak only a
rudimentary Spanish and only visited the birthplace of
my grandma and great-grandma once?  When I visit
Mexico, I recognize its beauty and its devastation,
and when I land in the United States, I am happy to
drive my sedan, go inside my condo, and turn on my tv
to "Law and Order."  Both my parents are of Mexican
descent, but both were born in the US.  On my mom's
side, both my grandparents were born in the US as
well.  When my maternal grandfather was offered the
opportunity to visit deep into Mexico (not Juarez or
Tijuana), he said, "My parents left Mexico for a
reason.  Why would I want to return?"  His practical
Texan mind did not yearn for the land of his
ancestors.
 
I remember as a child growing up that my father
instilled a deep pride of my Mexican ancestry.  He was
a young man during the Chicano Movement, and even
attended the Moratorium in 1970.  I have never had a
negative attitude about the word Chicano/Chicana, but
as a child of the '80s, I never saw the need to be as
political as my father.  I have often told him that I
will fight in marches if I need to, but my fight
against prejudice and racism is fought in the
classroom, where I expose my students to
Mexican-American literature and topics.  For years I
have often felt like a traitor, however.  I see the
struggles of the new immigrants, but I do not truly
understand, having been raised in middle-class
suburbia.   I feel uncomfortable when speaking
Spanish, for the words do not come easily to me in
front of an audience as they do when I am alone.  I
see people as individuals. and have often overlooked
the ethnic/racial backgrounds of people.  I have had
friends of all ethnicities, as well people whom I have
disliked from my own culture.  And then a student will
ask me "what does a Mexican know about teaching