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Congratulations on breaking through your brick
wall...I'm jealous, wish it was me.

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> elviraz wrote:
> 
> >>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because
> I do not
> >>see much discusion about the ranchos we were
> supposed to be
> >>finding out about.
> >>
> >>Elvira
> >>
> Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact
> I didn't break 
> through it I pulverized it into non existence. I
> started off by not 
> knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to
> finding it by a collection 
> or oral history and the brief mention of a surname
> on my mom's death 
> certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I
> made contact with some 
> that told me that they were related to this
> grandmother and that she 
> came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my
> grandmother, Antonia 
> Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a
> Rancho not far from 
> Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and
> Rosalia Garcia. Her 
> Abuelos paternos are Nicolas Lopez and Alvina Perez
> and Abuelos maternos 
> are Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. My
> grandmother Antonia Lopez 
> had at least two brothers: one named Nicolas and
> another named Antonio 
> Lopez who later married Demetria Jacobo and had at
> least one child named 
> Crecencio Lopez who married Josefina Cerujo. 
> Nicolas Lopez when on to 
> marry and have one child named Francisca Lopez who
> married a Rogaciano 
> Raigoza.
> 
> [Digame Arturo. . .somos primos???]
> 
> What is interesting is that oral history told me she
> was from Atotonilco 
> but I didn't know there was 3 Atotonilco's in
> Jalisco (who knows but 
> maybe there are more). I had always though that I
> would have to get 
> records from two Atotonilco's in Southern Jalisco
> and just start having 
> to hunt around for a misc. Antonia Lopez and hope to
> be able to detect 
> if it was my Antonia Lopez. Having found an
> Atotonilco close to Huejucar 
> has been great.
> 
> oh by the way I found the marriage record for
> Florentino Garcia and 
> Toribia Renteria. And there parents are: Agapito
> Nestor Garcia and Maria 
> Antonia Lopez AND Antonio Renteria and Antonia
> Montes.
> 
> cool huh?
> 
> joseph
> 

I think the group should stay like it is now.  That is
my vote!
--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> No.  I like what we're doing.    Sorry you're
> feeling overwhelmed, dear 
> Joseph.    Marge:)
> 
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> 
> >
> >  I grow weary.
> >
> >  I can't go any more than how I'm going.
> >
> >  If we were to get a few moderators to handle all
> the added traffic and
> >  keep things orderly including dealing with Data
> Miners I might 
> > consider
> >  opening up the research area. But truthfully I
> can't handle anymore 
> > and
> >  if Ranchos were to double in size just from the
> geographic area as is
> >  I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the
> handwritting is on the 
> > wall.
> >  This group might need a new Moderator before too
> much longer.
> >
> >  For that matter why not just everyone move over
> to Jonathan's group? 
> > its
> >  already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall
> its the membership
> >  that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all
> join that group also.
> >  There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico
> without restriction.
> >
> >  there is nothing special about here. Awhile ago
> about 15 months or so 
> > we
> >  opened up and took in Aguascalientes. I'm all in
> favor of taking in 
> > all
> >  of historical Nueva Galicia. But I just don't
> have the energy to do 
> > it.
> >
> >  hey why not lets just leave this group as it but
> have a Nueva Galicia
> >  comittee. That comittee (I'm not on it though)
> the comittee would then
> >  plan out the perfect group and then just build
> it. When that group is 
> > up
> >  and running everybody can go there and join.
> After awhile people can
> >  consider keeping their membership in both places
> or just deleting from
> >  Ranchos and going over to the "Nueva Galicia"
> group. I think you all
> >  need to take up a collection (say 5 bucks a year)
> and do the Nueva
> >  Galica group right. You could have a knock down
> dead good looking site
> >  with plenty of file space and if you all worked
> together it would 
> > work.
> >
> >  what do you think?
> >

Congratulations, Joseph, on breaking through your brick wall.  It
gives me hope that I can also break some brick walls of my own!

Also, I sympathize with you being "cansado" from all you duties and
chores as a group admnistrator.  You seem to have answered your own
questions from a previous message.  

Easy does it!  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:

> Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
> through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
> knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a
collection 
> or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
> certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
> that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
> came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother, Antonia 
> Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a Rancho not far from 
> Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and Rosalia Garcia. Her 
> Abuelos paternos are Nicolas Lopez and Alvina Perez and Abuelos
maternos 
> are Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. My grandmother Antonia
Lopez 
> had at least two brothers: one named Nicolas and another named Antonio 
> Lopez who later married Demetria Jacobo and had at least one child
named 
> Crecencio Lopez who married Josefina Cerujo.  Nicolas Lopez when on to 
> marry and have one child named Francisca Lopez who married a Rogaciano 
> Raigoza.
> 
> [Digame Arturo. . .somos primos???]
> 
> What is interesting is that oral history told me she was from
Atotonilco 
> but I didn't know there was 3 Atotonilco's in Jalisco (who knows but 
> maybe there are more). I had always though that I would have to get 
> records from two Atotonilco's in Southern Jalisco and just start having 
> to hunt around for a misc. Antonia Lopez and hope to be able to detect 
> if it was my Antonia Lopez. Having found an Atotonilco close to
Huejucar 
> has been great.
> 
> oh by the way I found the marriage record for Florentino Garcia and 
> Toribia Renteria. And there parents are: Agapito Nestor Garcia and
Maria 
> Antonia Lopez AND Antonio Renteria and Antonia Montes.
> 
> cool huh?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: so are we going to talk about Ranchos or what?
> 

Hurray!!!!! Congratulations!!!!



On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

elviraz wrote:

And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not

see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be

finding out about.



Elvira

last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother, Antonia Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a Rancho not far from Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and Rosalia Garcia. Her Abuelos paternos are Nicolas Lopez and Alvina Perez and Abuelos maternos are Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. My grandmother Antonia Lopez had at least two brothers: one named Nicolas and another named Antonio Lopez who later married Demetria Jacobo and had at least one child named Crecencio Lopez who married Josefina Cerujo.  Nicolas Lopez when on to marry and have one child named Francisca Lopez who married a Rogaciano Raigoza.



[Digame Arturo. . .somos primos???]



What is interesting is that oral history told me she was from Atotonilco but I didn't know there was 3 Atotonilco's in Jalisco (who knows but maybe there are more). I had always though that I would have to get records from two Atotonilco's in Southern Jalisco and just start having to hunt around for a misc. Antonia Lopez and hope to be able to detect if it was my Antonia Lopez. Having found an Atotonilco close to Huejucar has been great.



oh by the way I found the marriage record for Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. And there parents are: Agapito Nestor Garcia and Maria Antonia Lopez AND Antonio Renteria and Antonia Montes.



cool huh?



joseph



ps: so are we going to talk about Ranchos or what?

No. I like what we're doing. Sorry you're feeling overwhelmed, dear Joseph. Marge:)



On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
============================================================
From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother, Antonia 
Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a Rancho not far from 
Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and Rosalia Garcia. Her 
Abuelos paternos are Nicolas Lopez and Alvina Perez and Abuelos maternos 
are Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. My grandmother Antonia Lopez 
had at least two brothers: one named Nicolas and another named Antonio 
Lopez who later married Demetria Jacobo and had at least one child named 
Crecencio Lopez who married Josefina Cerujo.  Nicolas Lopez when on to 
marry and have one child named Francisca Lopez who married a Rogaciano 
Raigoza.

[Digame Arturo. . .somos primos???]

What is interesting is that oral history told me she was from Atotonilco 
but I didn't know there was 3 Atotonilco's in Jalisco (who knows but 
maybe there are more). I had always though that I would have to get 
records from two Atotonilco's in Southern Jalisco and just start having 
to hunt around for a misc. Antonia Lopez and hope to be able to detect 
if it was my Antonia Lopez. Having found an Atotonilco close to Huejucar 
has been great.

oh by the way I found the marriage record for Florentino Garcia and 
Toribia Renteria. And there parents are: Agapito Nestor Garcia and Maria 
Antonia Lopez AND Antonio Renteria and Antonia Montes.

cool huh?

joseph

ps: so are we going to talk about Ranchos or what?

>>
>>    
>>
>  
>

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
============================================================
From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother, Antonia 
Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a Rancho not far from 
Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and Rosalia Garcia. Her 
Abuelos paternos are Nicolas Lopez and Alvina Perez and Abuelos maternos 
are Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. My grandmother Antonia Lopez 
had at least two brothers: one named Nicolas and another named Antonio 
Lopez who later married Demetria Jacobo and had at least one child named 
Crecencio Lopez who married Josefina Cerujo.  Nicolas Lopez when on to 
marry and have one child named Francisca Lopez who married a Rogaciano 
Raigoza.

[Digame Arturo. . .somos primos???]

What is interesting is that oral history told me she was from Atotonilco 
but I didn't know there was 3 Atotonilco's in Jalisco (who knows but 
maybe there are more). I had always though that I would have to get 
records from two Atotonilco's in Southern Jalisco and just start having 
to hunt around for a misc. Antonia Lopez and hope to be able to detect 
if it was my Antonia Lopez. Having found an Atotonilco close to Huejucar 
has been great.

oh by the way I found the marriage record for Florentino Garcia and 
Toribia Renteria. And there parents are: Agapito Nestor Garcia and Maria 
Antonia Lopez AND Antonio Renteria and Antonia Montes.

cool huh?

joseph

ps: so are we going to talk about Ranchos or what?

>>
>>    
>>
>  
>

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
============================================================
From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother, Antonia 
Lopez was born 17 Jan 1892 in Atotonilco, Jalisco a Rancho not far from 
Huejucar. Her parents are Francisco Lopez and Rosalia Garcia. Her 
Abuelos paternos are Nicolas Lopez and Alvina Perez and Abuelos maternos 
are Florentino Garcia and Toribia Renteria. My grandmother Antonia Lopez 
had at least two brothers: one named Nicolas and another named Antonio 
Lopez who later married Demetria Jacobo and had at least one child named 
Crecencio Lopez who married Josefina Cerujo.  Nicolas Lopez when on to 
marry and have one child named Francisca Lopez who married a Rogaciano 
Raigoza.

[Digame Arturo. . .somos primos???]

What is interesting is that oral history told me she was from Atotonilco 
but I didn't know there was 3 Atotonilco's in Jalisco (who knows but 
maybe there are more). I had always though that I would have to get 
records from two Atotonilco's in Southern Jalisco and just start having 
to hunt around for a misc. Antonia Lopez and hope to be able to detect 
if it was my Antonia Lopez. Having found an Atotonilco close to Huejucar 
has been great.

oh by the way I found the marriage record for Florentino Garcia and 
Toribia Renteria. And there parents are: Agapito Nestor Garcia and Maria 
Antonia Lopez AND Antonio Renteria and Antonia Montes.

cool huh?

joseph

ps: so are we going to talk about Ranchos or what?

>>
>>    
>>
>  
>

Bigger is not better.  Let's keep the group and states
as they are.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> I grow weary.
> 
> I can't go any more than how I'm going.
> 
> If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the
> added traffic and 
> keep things orderly including dealing with Data
> Miners I might consider 
> opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't
> handle anymore and 
> if Ranchos were to double in size just from the
> geographic area as is 
> I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the
> handwritting is on the wall. 
> This group might need a new Moderator before too
> much longer.
> 
> For that matter why not just everyone move over to
> Jonathan's group? its 
> already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall
> its the membership 
> that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all
> join that group also. 
> There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without
> restriction.
> 
> there is nothing special about here. Awhile ago
> about 15 months or so we 
> opened up and took in Aguascalientes. I'm all in
> favor of taking in all 
> of historical Nueva Galicia. But I just don't have
> the energy to do it.
> 
> hey why not lets just leave this group as it but
> have a Nueva Galicia 
> comittee. That comittee (I'm not on it though) the
> comittee would then 
> plan out the perfect group and then just build it.
> When that group is up 
> and running everybody can go there and join. After
> awhile people can 
> consider keeping their membership in both places or
> just deleting from 
> Ranchos and going over to the "Nueva Galicia" group.
> I think you all 
> need to take up a collection (say 5 bucks a year)
> and do the Nueva 
> Galica group right. You could have a knock down dead
> good looking site 
> with plenty of file space and if you all worked
> together it would work.
> 
> what do you think?
> 
> jseph
> 
> 
> 



		
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I grow weary.

I can't go any more than how I'm going.

If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the added traffic and
keep things orderly including dealing with Data Miners I might consider
opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't handle anymore and
if Ranchos were to double in size just from the geographic area as is
I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the handwritting is on the wall.
This group might need a new Moderator before too much longer.

For that matter why not just everyone move over to Jonathan's group? its
already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall its the membership
that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all join that group also.
There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without restriction.

there is nothing special about here. Awhile ago about 15 months or so we
opened up and took in Aguascalientes. I'm all in favor of taking in all
of historical Nueva Galicia. But I just don't have the energy to do it.

hey why not lets just leave this group as it but have a Nueva Galicia
comittee. That comittee (I'm not on it though) the comittee would then
plan out the perfect group and then just build it. When that group is up
and running everybody can go there and join. After awhile people can
consider keeping their membership in both places or just deleting from
Ranchos and going over to the "Nueva Galicia" group. I think you all
need to take up a collection (say 5 bucks a year) and do the Nueva
Galica group right. You could have a knock down dead good looking site
with plenty of file space and if you all worked together it would work.

what do you think?

jseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "elviraz" <elviraz@...>

To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos

Joseph,

I have always been a little puzzled as to why San Luis
Potosi is not part of Ranchos.  Seems to me it should since
part of San Luis Potosi at one time used to part of the
region  of Zacatecas.  One of my greatgrandfathers was born

in SLP when part of it belonged to the region of Zacatecas.
By the way, he called himself Zacatecano. The Zavalas have

always been from Zacatecas.

It seems to me that we need a good history lesson as to
where the boundaries were for the 1800s and before, where
most of us are going with our genealogy.  The boundaries for
the reinos changed according to the person reporting the
information.


I think we need to define the Ranchos area of coverage to
cover the actual physical boundaries of where Jalisco,
Zacateacas and Aguascalientes  really were according to the
historiacal era and area.  If we are using the present
bundaries we are not being accurate for historical or

genalogical purposes.

And speaking of Michoacán....  If we were to speak about the old
territories of "Nueva Galicia", then we'd have to include Michoacán
all the way to Sonora (and maybe further north), including Jalisco,
Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit, Colima and Sinaloa.

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5682


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
>
> Genealogy is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher 
> wanting to join this group without being willing to share what their 
> research has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph 
> has made it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share 
> research.
> 
> I'm truly learning as I go in the genealogy but have learned that 
> our lines did not originally come from Jalisco, Zacatecas or 
> Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else before that since 
> they followed established roads for migration after the soldiers 
> made them safe to establish new pueblos, towns and states. Or some 
> of us had ancestors who were soldiers and they were moved from place 
> to place.  I always said my Gutierrez and Mendez families was from 
> Jalisco but I've discovered they arrived in Jalisco about 1775 from 
> Michoacan and were only in Michoacan for about 50 years so they had 
> to come from someplace else before that! Even though my focus is 
> still in the states we are grouped together researching the idea of 
> someone else who's found ancestors from the late 1500's and 1600's 
> who've migrated to our area of research opens doors for me and 
> you... just my two cents worth.
> Linda in Everett
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Irma GomezLucero" 
> <igomezlucero@c...> wrote:
> 
> > Joseph,
> >     I know that I'm biased, but I'd like to keep it to the states:
> > Jalisco, Aguascalientes & Zacatecas (Nueva Galicia), but I can 
> also just
> > delete the info from the states I'm not interested in.  My 
> ancestors
> > seem to stay in the same place...
> > Irma
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf
> > Of Emilie Garcia

Genealogy is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher 
wanting to join this group without being willing to share what their 
research has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph 
has made it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share 
research.

I'm truly learning as I go in the genealogy but have learned that 
our lines did not originally come from Jalisco, Zacatecas or 
Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else before that since 
they followed established roads for migration after the soldiers 
made them safe to establish new pueblos, towns and states. Or some 
of us had ancestors who were soldiers and they were moved from place 
to place.  I always said my Gutierrez and Mendez families was from 
Jalisco but I've discovered they arrived in Jalisco about 1775 from 
Michoacan and were only in Michoacan for about 50 years so they had 
to come from someplace else before that! Even though my focus is 
still in the states we are grouped together researching the idea of 
someone else who's found ancestors from the late 1500's and 1600's 
who've migrated to our area of research opens doors for me and 
you... just my two cents worth.
Linda in Everett


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Irma GomezLucero" 
<igomezlucero@c...> wrote:

> Joseph,
>     I know that I'm biased, but I'd like to keep it to the states:
> Jalisco, Aguascalientes & Zacatecas (Nueva Galicia), but I can 
also just
> delete the info from the states I'm not interested in.  My 
ancestors
> seem to stay in the same place...
> Irma
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf
> Of Emilie Garcia
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 6:57 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> 
> 
> Joseph,
>  
> I voted to restrict membership to those researching the three 
states,
> simply because the farther out from Jerez-Tepetongo, Zacatecas 
(and a
> little from Jalisco and Zacatecas) the group's ancestors are to be
> found, the less familiar names I find in the files.
>  
> I was wondering if you asked those people that inquired about 
joining
> this group that have ancestors in other areas why they wanted to 
join
> our group.  Is it the name "ranchos" that is misleading?  Is it 
because

Joseph,

This is a though one.  I'm not deciding yet how to vote but I just
want to add a comment.

I understand how certain people might want to join the group just to
see what they can get out from it without making any contribution in
return, or extract information for non-genealogical purposes.  This is
not acceptable.

However, I'm sure there must be at least a few good researchers and
genealogist who, although not directly rooted in the Ranchos
geographical area, can act as bridges to other genealogical groups in
Mexico, US, Iberia, the Caribean, etc.  I for one have membership and
visit several groups  even in places where I still haven't found any
ancestors.  I have directed to this group a few persons who I knew
were interested in the Rancho's region but were unaware of this
group's existence.

Maybe the solution isnt'a yes-no, let-them-all-in / keep-them-all-out
situation.  How about adding another level or layer of protection to
the files or information that we want to protect, like moving our
personal files to a different location and still allowing other people
to join the fellowship and ongoing conversations? Are we sure there
isn't any chance of getting a worthwhile contribution from outside of
current members?

How about requiring a couple of recommendations from current members
to allow someone to join? Or how about considering a person's
accomplishments in the field of genealogy?  How about having some kind
of honorary membership for exceptional individuals?

These are just some quick thoughts.  I might add some more later.

Saludos Cordiales,
Victor Villarreal

 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> ranchos group:
> 
> From time to time people not from our geographical area express
intereste in Ranchos. Here is my answer:
> 
> maybe there is a misunderstanding. we are focused on the states of
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes. I don't understand why you
would be interested in this group? Now if you "THINK" that you might
have ties to this area then I'll subscribe you for a 1 year temporary
membership that we'll reconsider renewing next year depending on how
much you've discovered about your Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or
Aguascalientes roots or should I say tried to discover.
> 
> is this what you'd like to do?
> 
> Do you agree with this? Or should I make special exceptions for

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
ranchos group:

>From time to time people not from our geographical area express intereste in Ranchos. Here is my answer:

maybe there is a misunderstanding. we are focused on the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes. I don't understand why you would be interested in this group? Now if you "THINK" that you might have ties to this area then I'll subscribe you for a 1 year temporary membership that we'll reconsider renewing next year depending on how much you've discovered about your Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or Aguascalientes roots or should I say tried to discover.

is this what you'd like to do?

Do you agree with this? Or should I make special exceptions for those "high quality" researchers that express interest in the group?

I'm torn between being "fair" to all and the possible benefit to "all" from letting a top researcher into the group.

what do you all think?

So far all of our polls have been invalid for lack of participation. IF this one is to be valid I'll need 50% of you to weigh in so I can tip the balance. It'd be best if 52% of you weighed in on one side so my vote wouldn't be the deciding factor.

joseph 

  o Be Fair to all and restrict membership 
  o Don't restrict we can learn a lot from others 
  o Do like you're doing 
  o hijola, good question holmes! 


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Thanks!

 

I prefer you move them, Joseph. I haven't a clue (and don't want one) about it. Memarge:)

On Nov 2, 2005, at 7:13 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

thanks Carol, Marge, Helyn, and Maria for volunteering. I'll eventually get your files moved over, but if you all feel energetic you could move them yourself, otherwise I'll do it. If you do take a try at it keep the same format as is found: your name (email address), locations being researched, etc.



thanks,



joseph



Carol Turner wrote:

It's fine with me too.



Carol

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

Jofes, whatever you deem best. You're the boss!

Marge V.:) I need to

redo mine anyway, I think.:)

On Nov 2, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Is there anyone in the Ranchos1 files area that

would be willing to

let

me move your files to the Ranchos2 files area?



thanks,



joseph







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