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I agree and have my own story to share. I recently found a link to 
Anna Arellano (Jose Munos' wife).  Anna and I both descend from the 
same set of 7th great-grandparents (Manuel Castañeda and Maria 
Antonia de la Torre). We all live in Northern California and I had 
the pleasure of meeting them recently.  My feelings are just as 
Alberto said, blood relatives are forever.

Maria Cortez


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
wrote:
> Congratulations.  Blood relatives are forever, no
> matter how many generations have past.
> 
> Alberto Duarte
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> > Donde va hacer la fiesta?. . .piñata, tamales,
> > mariachis, tragitos y 
> > bailando.
> > 
> > what a happy day it is! For more than a 100 years or
> > maybe more than 200 
> > years your families lost each other. People that
> > loved and cared for 
> > each other but through circumstances got lost and
> > forgotten. Now they 
> > are united and hopefully will never lose track of
> > each other again.
> > 
> > arturoramos2 wrote:
> > 
> > >Angie:
> > >
> > >We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano
> > Grano's daughter 
> > >Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their
> > eighth generation 
> > >descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will
> > definitely take a 
> > >look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara
> > interwoven throughout 
> > >my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection
> > there as well.
> > >
> > >Do you know how I would go about getting copies of
> > the books you 
> > >mention?  We can continue this discussion outside
> > the group if you 
> > >like... arturo.ramos2@v...
> > >
> > I wouldn't hear of it. . .maybe give us just a
> > message or two more. . 
> > .let us celebrate and wish you our happiness too.
> > You all can take it 
> > private after we have had our fill of your happiness
> > as well.
> > 
> > congratulations on this great find. . .its time for
> > much rejoicing!
> > 
> > joseph
> > 
> > ps: no one ever accused me of  not being a
> > sentimentalist.
> > 

I would suggest offering some financial remuneration and if he says no, then at least you've offered.

Marge:)

On Jul 13, 2005, at 5:44 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Did you think he would charge me if I asked only a

couple of questions?  The Duartes that I have talk to

about their past had almost no information, but they

were extremely nice people.



Alberto Duarte

Santa Maria, California



--- Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>

wrote:



> 

> John, if you do get to Jerez may I recommend

> contacting Leonardo de la

> Torre Berumen at leon_torre@... for help in

> locating ranchos

> and villas.  He doesn't speak English but is very

> willing to help.  he

> is a professional genealogist and has more

> information than most.  I'm

> told he charges if his help is extensive but he

> never charged me for

> anwering questions.  He lives in Jerez

>

> Linda

>

>

>





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Did you think he would charge me if I asked only a
couple of questions?  The Duartes that I have talk to
about their past had almost no information, but they
were extremely nice people.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
wrote:

>  
> John, if you do get to Jerez may I recommend
> contacting Leonardo de la 
> Torre Berumen at leon_torre@... for help in
> locating ranchos 
> and villas.  He doesn't speak English but is very
> willing to help.  he 
> is a professional genealogist and has more
> information than most.  I'm 
> told he charges if his help is extensive but he
> never charged me for 
> anwering questions.  He lives in Jerez
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> 


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John, if you do get to Jerez may I recommend contacting Leonardo de la 
Torre Berumen at leon_torre@... for help in locating ranchos 
and villas.  He doesn't speak English but is very willing to help.  he 
is a professional genealogist and has more information than most.  I'm 
told he charges if his help is extensive but he never charged me for 
anwering questions.  He lives in Jerez

Linda

Viewing old church records:
I learned something about reviewing old church records
whenever trying to read them:  You have to read them
real slow and look for key letters that make up your
ancestors first and last names.  The overall
penmanship of the priests was very good, but the
copied documents are usually in poor condition because
of time. 

A couple of years ago I was looking at the 1700s Jerez
church marriage records, and I noticed my
greatggggggmothers last name of Sanchez.  The letters
S,a,c, h and z, stood out, and then I looked closer
and found my greatggggggfathers last name (Duarte)
which was spelled like Quarti.  Upon further review of
the record I found other names that were barely
identifiable (Salazar and Sanchez)which were the last
names of my greatgggggggparents.  They got married in
1797 in Jerez, and after years of research I was also
able to identify the other names listed on the record
as my aunt and uncle (Gamboa family).

After many years of researching, I have found names
listed on the marriage and baptism records, are
usually relatives of the party. 

Also, please have a lot of patience, because
researching of old church records is a very slow
process, but it is worth the time and effort.

I've recently noticed that my last name Duarte, being
spelled Huarte!  Which name is correct? probably both
of them. 

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- zendean <usa20@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Emile;  I agree with you post about old Handwriting
and wrote that effect earlier. I am extracting - Our
lady of Candelaria Cahtolic Church in Gatamala. I
think I have the lettering right and the priest
changes ! One priest will write and "T" by crossing a
"J" another priest will come and the "J" becomes a
semi-"J" with a "U" above it. SEEESH !  You are not
the only one with this problem and I just wanted to
express my frustration along with you.  One thing that
gets tyo me is the thin pens used so the entry is
faint and the letters undestingguishable. I prefer the
broad sweeping strokes of some of the priest who us a
standard caligraphy. 
 
Happy to see your entry.
 
Jose Luis Macias
 


-----Original Message----- 
From: Emilie Garcia 
Sent: Jul 12, 2005 8:00 PM 
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Reading Old Handwriting 


I agree with Angie about all the good hints given in
the Genealogy.com articles on Colonial writing.  It is
amazing to me that throughout the Western world in the

I'm looking into it. . .

joseph

Steve G. Apodaca wrote:

Hey Joseph. I was looking for the pdf census file on the ranchos2 area
and I could not find it. Is it possible that you can email me a copy of
the file or replace it on the website?

Thank you.

Steve A





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 Hey Joseph. I was looking for the pdf census file on the ranchos2 area 
and I could not find it. Is it possible that you can email me a copy of 
the file or replace it on the website?

Thank you.

Steve A

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> I will be researching the "Cerros" name in Jerez , Zacatecas.  As soon as I finish with  the 
other names in Jalostotitlan.
> 
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
> 1gnzlz@v...


John,

My name is Edward Serros and you can review my c.v., http://members.tripod.com/
eserros/new_page_7.htm, at your leisure. I have done an "extensive" review of my 
Zacatecas roots, Cerros and Felguerez, which you can review as attachments in a separate 
email I have sent to you; these materials are also available on this site. My grandmother, 
Maria Felguerez, was the illegitimate daughter of Santiago Felguerez, who was also the 
illegitimate son of one the Felguerez family, hacendados  in Valparaiso and Colotlan---a 
complicated story. My grandfather, Jose Cruz Cerros, and my grandmother came to the US 
in 1919 or so. I have much data on the Felguerez but the Cerros genealogy has been 
difficult, to say the least, since I can not find where my great grandfather, Francisco 
Cerros, came from before going to Valparaiso. Oral Cerros family history suggests 
Colotlan but I could not find any Cerros in Colotlan in the 1830-1840's, the time when he 
was born. 

Any informatin you can give me about your Cerros/Serros roots would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Ed Serros

As an added note...for anyone starting out.  I recommend you read all 
the articles from the last link regarding handwriting and common 
mispellings.  The record abstracts become easier to read if you are 
aware of the handwriting 'issues' described.  Also searching for your 
ancestors with the common mispelling thrown in allow you to find 
baptizism and marriage records that you won't find otherwise.

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073" <aajay1073@y...> wrote:
> Under Genealogy.com Research guidelines, Deciphering Documents and 
> Handwriting there are a few articles:
> 
> 1) Reading Handwriting
> http://www.genealogy.com/00000010.html
> 
> Towards the top of this document it says:
> "Watch out for double S's. The first S in a pair was often written 
to 
> look like a lower case F."
> 
> 2) Guidelines for Reading Old Documents
> http://www.genealogy.com/68_sperry.html
> 
> The material at Genealogy.com is a good read if you have a chance 
to 
> browse over there:
> http://www.genealogy.com/developing_research_skills.html
> 
> Good luck,
> Angie
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> > 
> > I was watching a documentary about American Slave Narratives. In 
one 
> of 
> > the stories it was talking about slaves being sold at auction and 
> they 
> > showed a bill of sale. the time period was about 1850. In the 
bill of 
> > sale at the bottom it spell "witness" like this:
> > 
> > "witnefs"
> > 
> > now this reminds me of the times I've seen Castañeda spelled 
Caftañeda
> > 
> > does anyone know about the use of the "F" for "S's" in early 
> handwritting?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > joseph

That's how it was done in those dayf, Jofef (Josef).:) And to top it off, they weren't consistent. My Chavez ancestors surnames is spelled alternately Llabes, llaves, Chavis, Chaves, de Chavis. Ortiz looks like Breton sometimes. Penmanship left a lot to be desired in those days. Read Finding Your Hispanic Roots by George Ryskamp. Marge:)



On Jul 12, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

I was watching a documentary about American Slave Narratives. In one of the stories it was talking about slaves being sold at auction and they showed a bill of sale. the time period was about 1850. In the bill of sale at the bottom it spell "witness" like this:



"witnefs"



now this reminds me of the times I've seen Castañeda spelled Caftañeda



does anyone know about the use of the "F" for "S's" in early handwritting?



thanks,



joseph



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