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Hola Angelina,

Thank you for posting this information. 

We are descended (2x) from the brother of Joseph Moreno de Ortega and sister of Petronila Ramírez: Juan Antonio Moreno de Ortega and Graciana Ramírez (married in 1715) through their two daughters: María Catarina (1741 cc Evaristo José Gómez), and Ana María (1738 cc Nicolás Antonio de Jaso). 

Sisters Graciana and Petronila Ramírez are granddaughters of Baltazar de los Reyes and Graciana de Ramos AKA de Mezquita, and great-granddaughters of early Lagos residents, Bartolomé de Mezquita and Luísa de Torres.

Thank you, again!

Best,

Travis

Peter Boyd Bowman wrote in his book that Pedro Pantoja and Catalina Rodriguez are the parents of Juan Pantoja. He provided detail as to when Pedro Pantoja came over and when Juan Pantoja came over.   
 
What caused the confusion was that we have many Pedro Pantojas who have a son named Juan Pantoja.   
And Baltazar Mendoza, brother of a Pedro Pantoja, did have a son named Juan Pantoja who came to the “new world”.  

If we are to believe Peter Boyd Bowman’s research, then Pedro Pantoja, that is the father of  the Juan Pantoja that is married to Catalina Medina, arrived in what is now Mexico in 1522. Pedro Pantoja passed away in 1565. Pedro Pantoja traveled to Mexico with a government official, an assistant of Cortez. It is clear when this Pedro Pantoja arrived, and he is not the same person that arrived with a nephew.

A Balthazar Mendoza did come over to Mexico as we find his name in a document with a list of people in Mexico City. He is referred to as Don Balthazar Mendoza.

The Juan Pantoja

10 enero 1577: Declaración de Gonzalo Hernández, conquistador de la Nueva España y vecino de la ciudad de México: conoce al dicho Juan de Pantoja más de cuarenta años y que sabe que se halló en la conquista de esta ciudad de México porque Diego Hernández Nieto conquistador se lo ha dicho a este testigo...l dicho Pantoja y su tío habían venido a la dicha conquista treinta días antes que se ganase la tierra y que así mismo sabe este testigo por habérselo dicho que el dicho Juan Pantoja se halló en las conquistas de Colima y Zacatula y otras partes y que en ellas sirvió muy bien a su majestad y que por razón de lo suso dicho cree que se le dio repartimiento de indios y que no sabe ni se acuerda cuáles y que sabe que el dicho Juan Pantoja es caballero e hijodalgo notorio porque por tal era de todos habido y el dicho su tío (Pedro Pantoja) que con él vino...

While looking for information on Domingo Medina, I overlooked what could be an important clue on my search for information on “Munguia” ancestors. Here is the entry where I focused on Domingo Medina, father-in-law of Juan Pantoja (son of Baltazar Mendoza y Pantoja and Leonor de la Cerda Ulloa),

Nº 3,R.2. 1556-1557.
El fiscal contra Domingo de Medina y Pedro de Monguía, alcalde ordinario y
procurador del pueblo de Guayangareo e Nº 3,R.2. 1556-1557.
El fiscal contra Domingo de Medina y Pedro de Monguía, alcalde ordinario y
procurador del pueblo de Guayangareo en la jurisdicción de Michoacán, sobre haber
injuriado al alcalde mayor de dicha ciudad. 1 pieza

I should have paid more attention to “Pedro de Monguía, alcalde ordinario y procurador del pueblo de Guayangareo en la jurisdicción de Michoacán,”

Now to look for information on this Pedro de Monguia (Munguia), alcalde ordinario.

Rick A. Ricci

Through Diego de Velasco y Temiño’s descent from “Garcia Gomez de Carillo, Señor de Ormasa y Mazuelo and Elvira Alvarez de Osorio” you will find that Juan Pantoja, son of Baltazar Mendoza and Leonor de la Cerda and husband of Catalina Medina, is a distant relative. Juan Pantoja has ancestors that are closely related to both Garcia Gómez de Carillo de Ormasa y Mazuelo and his wife Elvira Alvarez de Osorio.

Diego de Velasco y Temiño’s descent from “Garcia Gomez de Carillo.Señor de Ormasa y Mazuelo Elvira Alvarez de Osorio” can be found here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23328?page=1

Through Juan Pantoja’s “Álvarez Osorio” ancestry he is also related to Hernando Padilla Dávila , “Villaseñor” and to the López Peralta (Coria Peralta).
Rick A. Ricci

In my research, I came across many instances where genealogists were taking the surname Soto to be short for Sotomayor. While this is true in many cases, it is not true in all cases. In some families, the “Soto” surname was originally “Scotto” in Genoa. The surname Scotto was changed to Soto when they arrived in Andalucia. The surname Scotto was originally another surname which I write about in my book.

Rick A. Ricci

Sorting out the family entanglements of the Pantoja family tree is not an easy task. Although secondary sources had placed the Captain / Lt. Juan Pantoja as a first cousin of our Juan Pantoja y Mendosa, a primary source points to the person that killed him as being the first cousin. They were short of food so it was recorded that the surviving crew ate their dead. Because of the similar name of Juan Pantoja, I am assuming that genealogists had assumed that the captain was the first cousin. They could have all been first cousins, but I doubt it as Captain Juan Pantoja is not identified as being killed by his first cousin, and the killer is identified as being the brother of a cousin of Juan Pantoja y Mendoza.

Rick A. Ricci

 The confusion comes about because there were numerous “Juan Pantoja” that are considered Conquistadores. There are at least four first cousin Juan Pantojas that are considered conquistadors in the “new world”. Baltazar Mendoza, Pedro Pantoja and a sister of theirs all had sons that are named “Juan Pantoja” making them first cousins. These first cousins are named after their paternal grandfather “Juan Pantoja”. Pedro Pantoja arrived in the “new world” with his nephew Juan Pantoja (son of Balthazar Mendoza and Leonor Ulloa De la Cerda). A second Juan Pantoja is a  son of Pedro and a third Juan pantoja is son of Baltazar’s sister and he was a Ship Captain /sailor.who was murdered by a companion while on exploration of North America. The fourth Juan Pantoja was a first cousin once removed that arrived in 1519 to Cuba, and 1522 to Mexico City.

Juan Pantoja descends from King Henry II of England and Queen Eleanore of Aquitane 1)Henry II King of England and Eleanor of Aquitane Queen of England 2 Eleonore de Inglaterra, princesa de inglaterra and Alfonso VIII rey de Castilla 3 Berenguela de Castilla and Alfonso IX rey de Leon 4 San Fernando III rey de Castilla and Beatriz de Suavia ( Elizabeth Hohenstaufen) 5 Alfonso X Fernandez and Yolanda Aragon 6 Fernando infante de Castilla and Blanca de Francia Capet 7 Alfonso de la Cerda and Mahalda de Brienne 8 Luis de la Cerda, infante de Castilla and Leonor Alfonso de Guzman 9Juan de la Cerda and Sol Martinez 10 Martin Gonzalez de Cerda and Violante Alvarez Pereira 11 Mahalda de la Cerda y Fernan Gutierrez de Valverde 12 Mari Gutierrez de Valverde y de la Cerda and Gonzalo Porcallo De Morán 13 Beatriz Moran and Lorenzo Ulloa 14 Leonor Ulloa De la Cerda and Balthazar Mendoza Pantoja 15 Juan Pantoja Mendoza, Rick A. Ricci

Dear Erik, Gracias a ti Erik pudimos aclarar la ascendencia de Bernardina Mendoza Pantoja. Esta línea incluye Ulloa y explica porque ay descendientes con el apellido Ulloa. Y también enseña descendencia de los infante (principes) de la Cerda. El Balthazar Mendoza Pantoja que mencionas es el padre de el Juan Pantoja que está casado con Catalina Medina. The Pantoja lineage is mainly made up of a mixture of Ancient Arabic, Jewish, Castilian and Aragonese nobility with some Royal lines from Castilla, León, France and England. I can trace the lineage to King Henry II and Eleanore of Aquitane. The Arabic and Jewish lines the have been Catholic for at least a couple of centuries by 1400 so they are looked upon as “old Christians” with a knowledge of these ancient roots. 2) Juan Pantoja and Elvira Alvarez Mendoza ( daughter of Alfonso Duran Mendoza and Aldonza Vasquez de Sandoval) 3) Balthazar Mendoza Panto and Leonor Ulloa De la Cerda [Balthazar Mendoza’s brother, Pedro Pantoja, was born

Red Flags

1) The Juan Pantoja that is the son of Gonzalo Pantoja and Juana Merlo is not listed in the copies of his Parent’s wills. Yet Juan Pantoja states in his will that he wants to be buried next to his mother Juana Merlo's grave. This will is not a forgery.

2) Except for Juan Pantojas, Many of The family wills are not originals, but are copies written in the 1700's, when people were fighting over inheritances from over two centuries before. But in at least one of the wills there are major errors in the family tree. This will is a fake.

3) Gonzalo Pantoja is said to have a cousin with the same name. Is this cousin the Gonzalo Pantoja that married Juana Merlo Ulloa and is the great aunt of the Juana Merlo Toledo?

4) the Gonzalo Pantoja that is married to Juana Merlo Ulloa is the one that has sons named Juan Pantoja and Pedro Pantoja.

Un ancestro de Juan Pantoja no podia resistir la idea de que le pisasen después de se muerte. El obtuvo del Rey permiso de ser enterrado en alto en la catedral de Toledo.

Rick A. Ricci

Hola Eric,

Creo que tienes razón cuando escribes:

“podría ser que quien hizo la paleografía entendió Pedro vez de D° o J° o algún otro?”.

Lo que si sabemos es que Juan Pantoja no Es hijo de Gonzalo Pantoja y Elvira Portocarrero. Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero Y Juana Merlo Toledo tambien no son padres de los hermanos Juan Pantoja, Pedro Pantoja, y Gonzalo Pantoja. Estos tres hermanos son Hijos de Gonzalo Pantoja y Juana Merlo Ulloa. El Gonzalo Pantoja que esta casado con Juana Merlo Ulloa Es primo del señor de Mocejon. En 1700’s cuando organizaron muchas de las actas que se habían juntado por un pleito sobre una herencia hicieron muchos errores en leer y copiar los documentos.

En la familia cercana hubo tres “Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero” y dos de ellos se casaron con Juana Merlo. Una Juana era Juana Merlo Ulloa y la otra era Juana Merlo Toledo, la primera tía abuela de la segunda. La segunda Juana Merlo (Merlo Toledo) era nieta del hermano de la primera Juana Merlo

Dear Erik,

I had set aside my Pantoja research and directed my attention to other projects in the past couple of years. Your post on Bernardina’s parents and grandparents woke Up this area of research for me. I went back and pulled out my records of the ancestors of this line and looked a little deeper at my resources. I was able to discover that an ancestor of the Pantojas that genealogists had claimed was the sister of a Cardenal Archbishop of Toledo was actually his illegitimate daughter. I have also been able to trace this line all the way back to Conde Fernan Gonzalez over a thousand years ago. I was also able to connect an ancestral line of Elvira Alvarez Mendoza to her husband, Juan de Pantoja, so they are distant cousins twice through their Pantoja ancestry. The ancestral line they share is made up of eight families that intermarried over and over again over many centuries during the Muslim presence in the Iberian peninsula. These Toledan families, “linajes mozárabes de

Estimado Eric,

Te pido un gran favor, me puedes decir que dice el testamento de Juan Pantoja, el cual testó en Medellín el 14 de Noviembre de 1482, o por lo menos decirme que dice sobre su familia.

Gracias,
Rick A. Ricci

Elvira Alvarez Mendoza’s ancestors brings us back to the Rodriguez Osorio Villalobos ancestors of the Reynoso family.

Another daughter of Alfónso Durán Mendoza and Cecilia Aldonza Vázquez de Sandoval by the name of Maria Sandoval married Alonso Monroy, a cousin of Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero.

Saludos,
Rick A. Ricci

I am not having any luck finding the wife of Domingo de Medina. I did find a son named “ Alejo Enríquez de Medina,”.
I found this online : https://valentincasco.blogspot.com/2016/11/p-margin-bottom-0.html

“DOMINGO DE MEDINA

Valentín Casco y Fernández
Investigador

Natural de Guareña, pasó a México en 1524 y visitó de nuevo España en 1526, enviado por Hernán Cortés a ver a Su Magestad.

Veamos lo que él mismo nos cuenta, muchos años después:

“Que es vecino de Mechoacán y natural de Garuena (Guareña), tierra de Medellín, e hijo legítimo de Diego González Serrano e de Ana Hernández Zambrana; e que a veynte y quatro años que pasó a esta Nueva Spaña, y que fué con el Marqués en servicio de Su Magestad a Guacaquaico y Honduras, por lo qual le fué encomendado la mytad del pueblo de Taucitaro, de que al presente se sirve, ques muy pobre y de menos provecho, y después con Vuestra Señoría Ilustrísima en la húltima pacificación de la Nueva Galizia (año 1541); y ques casado y tiene hijos e

5)Juan Pantoja and Elvira Alvarez Mendoza (daughter of Alfónso Durán Mendoza y de Cecilia Aldonza Vázquez de Sandoval.)
6)
7.) Juan Pantoja and Catalina Medina (daughter of Domingo Medina)
8.) Bernardina Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (born about 1533) and Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor
9). Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor( born about 1555) and Diego Ochoa de Garibay
10). Francisca Ochoa Soto. (born about1593) and married on 27/Nov/1613 to Juan de la Mora y Mendoza

Great find Erik,

The information of Alfón Durán y de Aldonza Vázquez de Sandoval leads us to Alfónso Durán Mendoza and Cecilia Aldonza Vázquez de Sandoval.

Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza and Aldonza Lopez de Ayala are the parents of Gonzalo Duran de Mendoza. This Gonzalo and Isabel Sanchez de Badajoz are the parents of Alfonso Duran Mendoza.

Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza and Aldonza Lopez de Ayala‘S ancestries are well documented.

Cecilia Aldonza Vázquez de Sandoval is the daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Sandoval

This information on the ancestry of Alfonso Duran Mendoza was from Jose Luis Ordonez’s research.

Elvira Álvarez de Mendoza Gets the “Elvira Alvarez” name from Gonzalo de Duran’s Maternal grandmother, “Elvira Alvarez”.
This maternal grandmother of Gonzalo De Duran Mendoza also was named after her grandmother “ Elvira Alvarez Osorio”

Conquistador Domingo Medina is the son of Diego González Serrano and Ana Hernández Zambrano. Domingo Medina is from Guareña, Badajoz, Estremadura.

This

la familia Araiza tiene sus inicios debidamente documentados  en CDMX, posteriormente se traslada a Zacatecas y Aguascalientes y de allí se diversifica a otras regiones; termino mi investigación en el norte de Guanajuato.

Hello Denise,

The expression "próximo pasado" is used to refer to the immediately preceding day, week, month, or year. In your example the birth date would be 29 Jan 1911.

Un cordial saludo.

Austin Pérez

Not necessarily. It was probably just a legal formality, in case the spouse wanted to remarry. Coincidentally, I was just transcribing a marriage investigation that got snagged, because the husband was from Spain, and had been married previously, and he needed to provide proof that he was "libre de matrimonio," and had unfortunately lost a signed affidavit from his home parish, confirming his first wife's death. 

Have you found the couple's marriage record? Another way to see whether they were legitimately married is to look at the baptism/birth records, and see if it says the child was legitimate.

Saludos!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

It is inaccurate to say that some of these families were Italians only because they came from Genoa, not Italy. The country that we know as “Italy” did not exist in the 1500’s.

I have done a tremendous amount of research looking for Carlo Lomelin’s ancestry. I don’t know anyone that has investigated this family as much as I have. Steven Francisco Hernandez has provided valuable puzzle pieces that support my research on Carlo Lomelin’s ancestors. Through private conversations, I have also provided Steven with information about a treasure trove of Lomelin documents that I have found proving the Genoese ancestors. I asked Steven to not disclose all of the information that I had shared with him until I published my book.

Steven is also correct that Guido Lavezzari comes from another Genoese family as primary source records also identify his paternal ancestors as Genoese. Steven is also correct that the Espinoza surname was originally Spinola and that they had its origins in Genoa

Estimado señor Vicente de San Miguel

Dándole por mi parte la bienvenida a este foro no puedo dejar pasar la ocasión para informarle que si la persona a que usted se refiere llamada Steven es nuestro primo (de todos los alteños) Steven Francisco Hernández, he de decirle que es un investigador serio como el que más, riguroso, generoso y exhaustivo en sus publicaciones y que puede usted tomar preferentemente cualquier publicación que él firme frente a la de prácticamente cualquier otro autor.

Por lo demás, sobre los apellidos que usted enlista podrá usted con sus propios ojos recorrer el copioso número de investigaciones que aquí están publicadas y que se han perfeccionado con la colaboración de valiosos y generosos investigadores.

Pregunta: donde puedo consultar el tema (Ordenanzas de colonización de 1573) para el tema familia de la Garza.
Gracias
Humberto Pro
frio@prodigy.net.mx

Hola Vale ,como esta? ojala que bien. Mi antepasado era Carlos Lomellini y era de genoa,Italia como era moro ? > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: castrosivicente@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:41:17 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogía de la expansión de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del> > > Genealogía de la expansión de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.> > Se desprendían desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ahí hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlán y Guadalajara de nuevo.> > De estas mismas ramas, hubo desplazamientos hacia León (familia Ulloa y Parada Aguilar), Silao, Celaya e Irapuato (familia Martín), Gto.> De Jalostotitlán, salió la familia Garza para fundar la ciudad de Monterrey, NL.> (Ordenanzas de colonización de 1573).> >

I’m sure you probably know that some IMs for Cienega de Mata during the late 1600s can be found in the Asuncion de Maria parish in Aguascalientes? If not, I see several Luna’s - all of them Indios, including an IM for Don Cristobal HL de Don Cristobal cc Beatriz Ynes. George Fulton indexed those IMs years ago, and uploaded them to the reference files here at NR. The filmrolls have since been rearranged, but the roll numbers remain the same, you’ll just have to go by the dates. You can download the PDFs here: https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014

Also, Encinillas was historically in the parish of San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. While there are records for Indian baptisms dating back to the late 1600s, they are well-indexed and easily found. But the IMs go back to 1650, so try digging around in that film roll. Perhaps there’s a marriage in there, and sometimes you can find ancestors appears as testigos.

I had also indexed sacramental records done in San Matias, 1613-1647, but I just

I doubt that John P. Schmal covered the specifics of your question but I haven't read everything he has written. Might be worth a search

Hola Travis!

I know that the settler colonial records refer only to Indigenous peoples as "Indios" but this is a very offensive term for many Indigenous peoples or personas Indigenas o de pueblos originarios. Also, Indigenous law experts use the capital I for Indigenous. As we know better, we can do better. May I please ask that you refrain from using the term, "Indio" unless you are citing the language listed in a colonial record. As a person of Indigenous descent on my mother's side (Mexico) and my father's said (Cherokee), I would appreciate it if this space doesn't use offensive terminology when speaking about us. Thank you!  

Joseph,

Sounds like a pretty cool site.   Another one that is not as sophisticated, but works for me is: Transkribus

I have some very old Latin documents from England that are pretty much unreadable to me (from the 1550's).  With Transkribus, you drop your document onto their online folder, and it begins scanning (multiple passes).  When the scans have been completed, it offers you the choice of copying the transcribed document to a .PDF, .DOC, or Clipboard (as plain text).  The document scans are fairly quick, usually within a few minutes.

The thing is, once transcribed, you need to go to another free app, like "Google Translate", and convert the Latin transcription to a language you may need, in my case just plain ole English.  It is hit and miss on accuracy, but for me "something" is better then nothing (in most cases).

I only use the free version (apparently 50 free scans per month), but apparently the paid version can clean these documents up even further.

Hopefully this technology (AI

Hello! 

Do you have more information about Sebastián Pérez de Ornelas? Maybe he is related to Juan Pérez, AKA Juan de Santoyo, (born about 1624, probably in Lagos, possibly son of Diego Pérez and an unknown daughter of María Rubio)? 

The 1669 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos lists Gerónima de Ornelas, viuda, living in the household of Juan Pérez with his widow, Antonia de Villegas, AKA Antonia de Mendoza, and his children Antonio, Angelina and Ysidro (children of Juan and Antonia go by surnames of Santoyo, Pérez, Mendoza and Villegas).

Este mensaje se trata de Marcos Macias Valadez y María Ruiz de Esparza

Por un indice que publicó Claudia Casillas encontré a una dispensa de
cuarto grado de consanguinidad de Alejandro Macias Valadez Gutiérrez
originario del Río de Santa María y vecino de Aguascalientes en el Sauz de
los Macias con Leonor López Infante y Valdés originario y vecina de la
Mololoa. Dice que Alejandro es hijo de Juan Macias Valades y de María
Gutiérrez y que Juan es hijo de María Ruiz y que Maria Ruiz es hija de
Mariana González de Rubalcava. Bautizaron a Alejandro el 10 de Abril de
1713 en San Juan de los Lagos. Bautizaron a Juan el 20 de abril 1681 en
Lagos de Moreno y murió el 1 de septiembre de 1740 en Aguas. No he
encontrado mas datos documentados sobre la linea directa de Alejandro hasta
Mariana González de Rubalcava. Según la dispensa fue hermana de Leonor
González de Rubalcava que sabemos por otras comunicaciones que hemos tenido
que fue hija Juan González de Rubalcava y de María López y que

Daniel,
Yo tengo a Marcos Macias Valades, hijo de Alonso Macias Valades y de Ursula Alvarez casado con Maria Ruiz Esparza (de Ulloa) hija de Nicolas de Ulloa y Maria Ruiz Esparza. Sin embargo, por alguna razon no encuentro la fuente de estos datos.

Jaime Alvarado

For the past 5 years I have concentrated on my mother's Chavez line of the founding fathers of New Mexico. Now I am back to trying to close loose ends in my father's Romo  de Vivar line. He descends from Salvador Ygnacio Romo de Vivar and wife, Francissca Angela Escalante, Bacanuche, Sonora, Mexico. One historian Mexicano says Salvador's daughter, Maria Rita de los Dolores Romo de Vivar y Escalante, descended from Jose Romo de Vivar, the founder of Bacanuche (and also was son of Diego Romo de Vivar and Maria Rangel). Other Researchers say this Jose Romo de Vivar went to Sinaloa and Sonora and nothing more is mentioned. I am wanting to close the gap between Jose Romo de Vivar and Salvador Ygnacio. Jose had sons Geronimo, Simon, and Jose Gabriel. And Geronimo had a son, Jose Antonio who married Maria Manuela de Anza, daughter of Juan Bautista de Anza and Maria Valenzuela. During Pancho Villa's run along the Mexican-USA Border in the 19 teens his men destroyed the town of Bacanuche

We can now add George P. Bush to the Ruiz De Esparza family tree. George P. Bush is the son of Governor Jeb (John Ellis) Bush and Columba Garnica Gallo, paternal grandparents are George H. W. Bush and Barbara Pierce. George P. Bush’s maternal grandparents are José María Garnica and Josefina Gallo. The Ruiz De Esparza ancestral line is through his Gallo ancestry. I descend from Onofre Perez Gallo, brother of his Gallo ancestor.

Through George P. Bush’s mother’s ancestry, he is a 13th cousin many times removed from George Washington, the first President of the United States of America. His paternal grandfather and uncle who were Presidents of the United State are also related to George Washington through their Bush Ancestry.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

I only have Lope Ruiz de Esparza so far but my people didn't stay in the area long. They seem to have wandered into Durango and settled but I have so many dead ends so here's to hoping I find a link to Diego Romo de Vivar either from Durango (mom) or Guanajuato (dad).

Can you explain what "sosa lines" are and where I would find them?

Thanks!

Three lines of descent from the Basque “Lope Ruiz De Esparza”and “Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma” to “Jessica Alba”

First line:

5.) Lope Ruiz De Esparza(el menor) (1569- 1651) [Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma]. Parent of:
6.) Lorenza Ruiz De Esparza (1601-?) [Cap.Luis Tiscareño De Molina] Parents of
7.) Francisca Tiscareño De Molina (1625 - 1660) [Jose Delgado Diaz]. Parents of:
8.) Luis Delgado Tiscareño (1648 - 1736) [Teresa Lopez Alvarado] Parents of:
9.) Jose Manuel Delgado (1684 - ?) [Margarita Macias Valadez] Parents of:
10.) Ma. Guadalupe Delgado (1722-1778) [Juan Antonio Pedroza]. Parents of:
11.) Jose Marcos Pedroza(1744 - ?) [Juana Ignacia Vasquez]. Parents of
12.) Maria Eufrasia Pedroza (1774 - ? ) [Jose Francisco Esparza]. Parents of:
13.) Jose Francisco Esparza (1769 - ?) [Maria Eufrasia Pedroza]. Parents of:
14.) Ma. Josefa Gpe. Remigia de la Trinidad Esparza (1792 - ) [José Ignacio Mosqueira] Parents of:
15.) Genoveva Mosquera (1834 -1917) [Urbano Rangel] Parents of:
16

I have Esparza roots.
Does anyone Habra Gine de Carrion?

Hello Jose,

I too descend Repeatedly from the Ruiz De Esparza and Romo de Vivar, so yes, we are “primos.” My maternal grandfather is a third cousin of Santo Toribio Romo Gonzalez through both the Gonzalez and Romo lines.

Super Bowl champion Coach Tom Flores Is also a primo.
Rick A. Ricci

Hello Christy,

 You may also look for your dad’s records with the name Buenaventura Gomez.

The surname Martinez of your family was originally Martin del Campo.   Over the generations it was shortened to Martin.  It only recently was changed to Martinez.  Celestino was baptized Celestino Martin Barajas.   And his father’s surname is Martin.   His father is only given the Martinez surname in the death record of Celestino.
 

There are two Demetria with fathers of the same name but the mothers have different names.   The fathers are not the same person as they have different ancestries.
Your Demetria’s mother is named as Maria Genaro Gutierrez. This is your ancestral line   Cañadas is very close to Valle de Guadalupe  

A Ventura Gomez shows up as a three year old in a census in Valle de Guadalupe     His parents are not named in the census which could  indicate that he was either  a visitor during the census, or being raised by friends or family in Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco.

Some of the records

Hi Alejandra, Welcome to the Nuestrosranchos group. I have nosed around at a lot of familysearch records over the past 5 years or so, particularly Padrons and Dispensas. In the 1824 Ojocaliente (Zacatecas) padron (census), in the town of San Diego, there is a Narciso Gomes and Maria Candelaria Lopes listed in this padron, along with Rosalio Gomes, age 4 in 1824. Narciso is age 22 (born circa 1802), and Candelaria is age 25 (born circa 1799). Narciso Gomes is living in the household of Pedro Gomes (age 60), and Maria Yrinea Alvarado (age 55). Also living in this household is Alejo Gomes (age 13), and Maria Josefa Gomes (age 19), who are both likely siblings of Narciso. Alejo Gomes is later listed in a marriage record as Alejo Araujo, so I believe this is your family, and likely parents of your Narciso are Pedro Araujo (Gomes) and Maria Yrinea Alvarado.

The padron is located at:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9KJ-TZT7?i=333&cat=23…
Image 334 of 784.

Alejo

I can’t help you the Lizalde line, but there is something that seems off when you look at the marriages of their daughter Catarina.

Is listing Catarine de Lizarde as padres no conocidos in her second marriage an intentional or unintentional error?

Is there a dispensa in the second marriage between Catarina de Lizarde and Jose de Carbajal? 

23 Jan 1718

Catarina de Lizarde hija legitima de Manuel de Lizarde y de Maria de Ruvalcaba.

Blas Riuz Nunez hijo legitimo de Diego Ruiz Nunez y de Ana Gonzalez.

13 Feb 1736

Catarina de Lizarde hija de padres no conocidos viuda de Blas Ruiz.

Jose de Carbajal hijo de padres no conocidos.

Wesley, 

I have the same brick wall with regard to Manuel Lizalde, and also have found nothing naming his father. The Manuel Lizalde family ties back to my Zermeno family, hence my interest.

A Juan Lopez de Lizalde married Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza on 25 Jan 1585 in Lagos de Moreno. 

This family branch appears to be the same noted in a 1791 land record which discusses an even older 26 August 1602 land record in an area close to present day  "Las Animas" (Current day Yahaulica jurisdiction). 

This Juan Lopez de Lizalde was noted as owning caballerias in the area, and was noted as a Calvary soldier. It is highly likely to be the same Juan Lopez de Lizalde that married in 1585.  Either way, the land record places the Lizalde family in Yahaulica very early on, and presents a good likelihood Manuel Lizalde descends in some manner through this family.

Link: 1791 Land Record Link

Lee

There is a Catalina Carvajal (Garbaxal) Rivera (Ribera) from that time frame which may be worth investigating. She is the daughter of Francisco Carvajal and Cathalina Ribera

Birth Name
Catalina Carvajal Rivera
Rick A. Ricci

Pleito de Rodrigo Hidalgo, de Toro (Zamora) 
Andrés Vela Núñez de Sotelo, de San Miguel de la Ribera (Zamora) 
Antonio de Sotelo, de San Miguel de la Ribera (Zamora) 
Diego Arias de Sotelo, de San Miguel de la Ribera (Zamora) Sobre Rodrigo Hidalgo, administrador durante 24 años de Guiomar de Sotelo y su marido Francisco Martínez de Tordesillas, contra el capitán Andrés Vela Núñez de Sotelo y Antonio de Sotelo, como testamentarios de la dicha Guiomar y contra Diego Arias de Sotelo como donatario de sus bienes para que le paguen los 120.000 maravedíes que la dicha Guiomar le dejó mandados en un codicilo antes de morir por los servicios prestados en esos 24 años.

Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Erik,

From primary sources found on PARES, I had originally posted the following information, but I found another source that gives different information that you can see in the corrections on the bottom ancestral line.

original post:
1)- Payo Rodríguez de Sotelo (Aka Payo Rodríguez de Ribera) and Juana Herrera

2)- Payo Sotelo and Ysabel Ruiz

3)-Diego Sotelo “el Viejo” and Ynes Sedeño had many children. The two named in this document are:

3.1)-Luis Sotelo de Rivera
3,2)-Payo Sotelo Nar’uaez (Narváez)

and 
1)- Payo Rodríguez de Sotelo (Aka Payo Rodríguez de Ribera) and Juana Herrera

2.)-Juan Sotelo. Who Is the father of

Payo Sotelo de Ribera, Tomas Sotelo de Ribera, and Eugenio Sotelo de Ribera

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New post
Corrections :  different wife for #1 (Francisca Soto), Payo senior and Francisca are grandparents of Juan Sotelo. Payo Sotelo (junior) who is married to Ysabel Ruiz are the parents of Juan Sotelo.

so what I gather from this is that Francisca Soto is a first wife

Saludos Erik,

From a document that I read, the Sotelo surname came about because they came from the Villa de Sotelo. The document implies that before arriving at San Miguel de Ribera that the “Sotelo” were known by a different surname. I was wondering if they meant a name other than “Arias.” This change in surname was common in those times. While searching to see if I could find the other surname I came across some more Reynosos in San Miguel de Rivera.

Diego Arias de Yerba married to Isabel Reynoso sister of Antonio Reynoso

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/3997817?nm

Gracias por tu trabajo Erik,

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Erik,

I found another Diego Sotelo el viejo in San Miguel de Ribera alive about the same time as the Diego Sotelo that is the ancestor of our Diego Arias de Sotelo. He is listed as having a father with a different name than the one that you found.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Erik,

You gave me enough information to send me digging for Antonio Sotelo’s parents. I believe I have found them in a document stating the hidalguia of a couple of cousins of Antonio Sotelo. I won’t post the information here as I want to keeep up the suspense for your book. And I may be wrong, and this is another branch of the Sotelo family. The document that I found doesn’t mention Antonio, but with what I already know about the family, plus what the information you provided, I believe that I have filled in a couple of blanks. I will download all of the document pages and send them to you later this week.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Estimado Erik,

I will be sending you some information that may help you in your research. I have some information on the ancestry of Lope Sotelo’s wife Esperanza Rodríguez de Ribera. I put this ancestry together by compiling from different secondary sources.

1) Gonzalo López de Ribera m. Teresa Vasquez de Meira
2) Lope López de Ribera m. Maria Afan
3) Ruy (Rodrigo) López de Ribera m. Inés de Sotomayor
4) Per Afán de Ribera “el Viejo” m. Maria Rodríguez Marino (first wife)
5) Esperanza Rodríguez de Ribera m. Lope de Sotelo
6) Pero (Pedro) Sotelo m. Inés Cisneros
7) Conquistador Antonio Sotelo Cisneros

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1)King Alfonso IX de Leon and Aldonza Martins De Silva
2)Rodrigo Alfonso de Leon, Señor de Aliger m. Ines Rodríguez de Cabrera
3)Sancha Alfonso de Leon m. Lope Sánchez Señor de Valenzuela y Jodar
4)Sancha Martinez de Jodar, conquistador del Castillo de Jodar m. Berenguela de Cabrera
5)Juana Rodríguez de Jodar m

Dear Leon de Tejada

I am so happy you are writing a book on the family of Diego Arias de Sotelo! Thanks for sharing new info here in NR!
The thread which Rick has provided (in this thread) will show you what else has turned up in our (NR members) searches/research, there could be references and links there which you might find helpful.

I look forward to reading your book!

Best Regards
Denise Fastrup

El 16 de abril de 1550, Guiomar de Herrezuelo, viuda de Andrés de Sotelo, capitán, vecina de San Miguel de la Ribera (Zamora), litiga contra el concejo de San Miguel de la Ribera (Zamora) y el fiscal de Real Chancillería Ibargüen, sobre exención de impuestos

Estimado Erik,

What a week! This same week that you post Diego Aria de Sotelo’s, I found out that I descend from Pedro Arais Dávila. In a letter from Diego’s father to his son, Pedro Arias de Avila was mentioned. Ever since I learned of this letter I unsuccessfully searched for the Sotelo Cisnero family connection. Now that we now that his paternal grandfather has a different ancestry, it is possible that we may finally find the family connection to Pedro Arias D’Avila.

A couple of years ago a group of us mentioned in a thread that we had doubt regarding Antonio’s ancestry so it is great that you finally found proof of his true ancestry.

Here is the location of the thread where we discussed his ancestry, his connection to Pedro Arias D’Avila, and the Arias Sotelo Cisneros family:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24399?page=2

Thanks again Erik for sharing your research,

Rick A. Ricci

Saludos Erik,

Yo he estudiado muchos de los primos de los Sotelo, acumulando historias de esta familia que tuvo un gran impacto en el pleito religioso de ese tiempo sobre las enseñansas de Erasmus sobre Cristianismo. Es terible como la inquisición atacó muchos miembros de esta familia no mas por juntarse para estudiar la Biblia y darle gracias a dios. Fueron acusados de estudiar la Biblia demasiado y de juntarse a darle gracias a Dios y seguir las enseñanzas de Erasmus. Espero con mucha anticipación y alegría los resultados de tu investigación.

Como escribiste una vez, hacemos buen mancuerna en nuestros estudios.

Muchísimas Gracias Erik,

Rick A. Ricci

I would like to clarify my statement.   Isabel de Mendoza was born in what is now Mexico, but she wasn’t full blooded native.   Her  father is identified as Diego Hurtado de Mendoza from a document not in my possession. What I know about this Diego is his parents and siblings, was single when he came over, who he came over with, and who he worked for. The clues that I still need to follow come from his employer. I am seeking out records that may reveal a little more about his time in Mexico. I do know how he is closely related to other Mendoza’s that came over, both in Mexico and South America.  I have not seen the document that states that Diego Hurtado de Mendoza is her father, and that is why I searched everywhere for her ancestry.   What I have put together is Diego Hurtado de Mendoza’s ancestry.  I would like to read this document to see if I can find more information.

I also put together an ancestry of Isabel De Mendoza Velasco who also fits the timetable for our Isabel Mendoza.

There is no mention of the name of Isabel Mendoza de Hurtado’s mother.  I believe that she may have been a native.   Her father is mentioned coming over from Spain and his duties, but there is no mention of a wife.   

Rick A. Ricci
 

Mr. Ricci there is a Hurtado de Mendoza on wikipedia married to a De Luna
and his father Diego Hurtado de Medoza was also married to a De Luna.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8D%C3%B1igo_L%C3%B3pez_de_Mendoza_y_L…

Danny C. Alonso

I have only seen the term 'criollo' used to mean place of birth or origin and not used to signify caste. Of the records that include the term 'criollo' for a person it will also include the person's caste (español, mestizo, indio, mulato.

Saludos,

Austin Pérez

"...mestiso soltero i criollo de esta villa..."

In this instance, as well as in the other records on the same page, the writer used the word criollo to mean originario (autóctono o nativo de esta villa de Lagos), and not in the usual sense related to the castas colonial that one typically sees in these records.

Joseph, thank you for sharing this incredible story, and thank you, all: Joseph, Lee, Rosalinda, Wesley and Arturo for the work and time you placed into this site. I'm happy to contribute monetarily once a means to do so is established.

Best regards,

Travis

Hello Eric,

I too have wondered about the document that people have said exists that identifies Diego Hurtado de Mendoza as a relative of the Viceroy and father of Isabel Mendoza. This Diego Hurtado de Mendoza came over as criado of the Bishop. He was single when he came over, and the question remains on whether he traveled back and forth from Spain, or if he just stayed in Mexico after his first trip.  I believe he made more than one trip as the date of birth of Isabel is given by most genealogists as mid to late 1530’s.  If he really is her father then he would have had to come to Mexico earlier than his trip to Mexico in the early 1550’s. Because this Diego is connected to the viceroy, I believe that he worked first for him and that is why he most likely made more than one trip between Spain and Mexico. If he traveled  back and forth across the Atlantic Ocean as representative of the Viceroy and the Bishop, then that could possibly explain why there is not much written about his life

I would like to clarify my statement.   Isabel de Mendoza was born in what is now Mexico, but she wasn’t full blooded native.  The Diego Hurtado de Mendoza that was identified as her father came over from Spain.   Diego was single when he came over and little is known about him except who he came over with and who he worked for.  I don’t have proof that he was her father, but he is the Diego Hurtado de Mendoza that a document said was her father. The clues that I still need to follow come from his employer. I am seeking out records that may reveal a little more about his time in Mexico. I do know Diego’s ancestry and he is closely related to other Mendoza’s that came over, both in Mexico and South America. It is clear that Isabel’s mother was native or a mestiza.  I do not know the identity of Isabel’s mother.

Rick A. Ricci

Thank you Erik for sharing this interesting theory. 

Hoping to hear more on this research. I have also been following with great interest your recent thread on Toribio Hernández de Arellano and the possible connection to the Hernández family from Salamanca. No doubt that further evidence will emerge to confirm this association. 

Best regards, 

Tristán Díaz de León

Sometime ago I read your findings on Diego Delgado, his wife and family in law. At the time I didn`t realize that Juan Diaz, his father in law happened to be one of the founders of Celaya on January 1st, 1571 (There are no other mentions to a Juan Diaz in the area until at least 1611, and this one was married to a certain Agustina Rodriguez, mestiza and he himself apparently a mestizo, and they both lived in the village of San Miguel in 1614). He and the other founders were granted land at the beginning of 1574 and they made the commitment to keep them for, at least, ten years, but by 1582 he had sold his. This might have happened probably because he was a master shoemaker and not a labrador, and it can also be the reason why he moved to San Luis Potosí.

The founder of Celaya were 30, and they had to be, and actually were, heads of family, i.e. at least married, and in most cases had children. This means that it was highly probable that they were all above 20 years of age. That would

Great Job Manny! I love your posts!

I am sorry I cannot answer your question, but I do want to give you information (In case you don't have it) about one of your Delgado ancestors.

I came across this while researching my own Delgado line from Tlaltenango and Atolinga, Zacatecas.

Juan Delgado is in the following book "Spain's Patriots of Northwestern New Spain" the link follows:

http://www.somosprimos.com/hough/nwus.pdf

He is listed among the Spanish Patriots who fought against England during the American Revolution. He is listed alphabetically on page 48 on the pdf document. He was son of Bartolome Delgado, who was son of Francisco Delgado, who was son of Diego Delgado as you previously posted.

Other helpful links.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5F8-DQV
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5FZ-KNN

I hope this helps your research.

Ruben